The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency

[citfta]

I am truly sorry this has gone on for so long.  But we all have the freedom to post anything we want until someone stops us.  I believe I have found what may be at the root of the problem with this discussion.  I also may be very wrong.  If so I apologize.  Please read the post above where Nelson quotes MH.  Do you really see anywhere in that post where MH attacks or puts down anyone?  All I see is him offering to help someone to learn more.

When Nelson first started posting here I made a post in support of what he was doing.  He attacked my post and told me I was wrong to post it.  I then realized he did not truly understand what I had posted.  I assume English is not his native language.  This language barrier has I feel contributed in a large part to the problems between MH and Nelson.

I have great respect for MH as I posted earlier.  I do feel he probably should have just dropped his disagreement with Nelson several pages back and just let it go.  To those of us with real electronics training it is obvious Nelson has some things to learn.  That is fine.  We all can still learn some things.  Let's please let all this go and get back to some real research.

Respectfully,
Carroll

[nelsonrochaa]

I am truly sorry this has gone on for so long.  But we all have the freedom to post anything we want until someone stops us.  I believe I have found what may be at the root of the problem with this discussion.  I also may be very wrong.  If so I apologize.  Please read the post above where Nelson quotes MH.  Do you really see anywhere in that post where MH attacks or puts down anyone?  All I see is him offering to help someone to learn more.

When Nelson first started posting here I made a post in support of what he was doing.  He attacked my post and told me I was wrong to post it.  I then realized he did not truly understand what I had posted.  I assume English is not his native language.  This language barrier has I feel contributed in a large part to the problems between MH and Nelson.

I have great respect for MH as I posted earlier.  I do feel he probably should have just dropped his disagreement with Nelson several pages back and just let it go.  To those of us with real electronics training it is obvious Nelson has some things to learn.  That is fine.  We all can still learn some things.  Let's please let all this go and get back to some real research.

Respectfully,
Carroll

Carroll did i attacked you ? I really don't consider that a attack tell me where is the misunderstood or even a attack ?
This that you refer :

"Sorry Carrol but i really don't understand what you try say with pseudo science when you talk of ether . In the time that word  is "founded" There was not the same disinformation motivation that exists today or even to sell books, and is unquestionable and undeniable  the contribution by the father of the word aether Sir Oliver Lodge to science , and after used by Nikola Tesla too .
As I mentioned earlier, this forum is free and we all have different opinions, but the contribution of those same people I mentioned is undeniable even when Discredited and censored by some people like happens in out times and for sure will continue happen .
In that way i could say the time is the best judge.

Respectfully :

Nelson Rocha

Hi Nelson,

Yes I am aware of the proper use of the term "ether" but you have to admit the way it is misused today is not the way it was used by Tesla and others.

Carroll"

I think i only make a respectfully answer to you but its my opinion  but other persons could judge too .



Respectfully:

Nelson Rocha

[ramset]

Brad
I have one question
Partzman's work [MEI} evolves around Pancake coils
we have not even touched the later versions
Why is it an attack on MH to say
This is an ongoing investigation into Pancake coils ?

I have no Dog in the Tesla hunt
just the results

if there is an effect which holds true to the Claim {Nelson's and Partzman's]

how can we dismiss this ,without qualifying it?

especially when it may have merit [a unique feature for MEI investigations.

honestly ,there is much to learn here, and we don't know for certain if MEI [and Nelson work}  require some unique attribute of the Pancake coil to work.

I see no point demanding answers[MH Whats so special] until the testing is done.

I apologize in advance if
saying its an ongoing investigation is taken as an attack.
and that is at the brunt of this entire "attack"
Mh insisting on answers to questions which are under investigation.

and then Nelson gets defensive and its all run amuck

[TinselKoala]

I am truly sorry this has gone on for so long.  But we all have the freedom to post anything we want until someone stops us.  I believe I have found what may be at the root of the problem with this discussion.  I also may be very wrong.  If so I apologize.  Please read the post above where Nelson quotes MH.  Do you really see anywhere in that post where MH attacks or puts down anyone?  All I see is him offering to help someone to learn more.

When Nelson first started posting here I made a post in support of what he was doing.  He attacked my post and told me I was wrong to post it.  I then realized he did not truly understand what I had posted.  I assume English is not his native language.  This language barrier has I feel contributed in a large part to the problems between MH and Nelson.

I have great respect for MH as I posted earlier.  I do feel he probably should have just dropped his disagreement with Nelson several pages back and just let it go.  To those of us with real electronics training it is obvious Nelson has some things to learn.  That is fine.  We all can still learn some things.  Let's please let all this go and get back to some real research.

Respectfully,
Carroll

Exactly. This bears repeating. If NR is reacting defensively to statements like that from MH, it indicates that the statement has "hit a nerve", meaning that the truth is recognized ... and "truth hurts".

It does not justify attacking MH personally, calling him an ownerless biting dog, or any of the other attacks and insults from various people that MH (and I! and some others!) have suffered here.

[TinselKoala]

Brad
I have one question
Partzman's work [MEI} evolves around Pancake coils
we have not even touched the later versions

And yet many of the coil forms that Partzman has shown that produce the effect are not even remotely "pancake" coils
resembling the coil in Tesla's patent #512340.
And my own successful first attempt at reproducing his effect used a decidedly non-pancake, bifilar solenoid coil.

Why is it an attack on MH to say
This is an ongoing investigation into Pancake coils ?

It isn't. But it definitely IS a totally ad-hominem attack on MH to compare him to an ownerless biting dog.

I have no Dog in the Tesla hunt
just the results

Speaking of dogs... Maggie says "Woof!" which means something like "Forget that, take me for a walk dammit!"

if there is an effect which holds true to the Claim {Nelson's and Partzman's]

how can we dismiss this ,without qualifying it?

especially when it may have merit [a unique feature for MEI investigations

Now are we lumping NR's claim (which was what exactly?) in with Partzman's (which is _not yet_ a claim of actual OU performance, as I understand it)?

Or are we just generally saying their "claim" is that flat coils are special in some unspecified way?

Maggie has the right idea, I think.