The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency

[ramset]

The COP's climb
the scrutiny too

http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3445.msg61705;topicseen#msg61705

[nelsonrochaa]

Nelson
Honestly it is very hard to believe. and here the Skeptic [the capable skeptic] is embraced with gratitude.
Transmission line theory and standard EE modeling are overlapping here[maybe more too??.

However there have been other ways to show these results[input dropping with load applied]
and those were easier to sort [find the real gain mechanism ,[or error]..

I know it can change either way at any moment...with Lots of help arriving daily to assist.
But I agree
Lets hope the best is yet to come!!

respectfully
Chet K

Ramset , i agree with you  that is much to do to  , but the possible  "OU" effect is a reality , myself already measure the same OU months ago , but unfortunately most ignore when i put the video show that apparently OU , in this same thread many posts ago .
The difference is that my work is not recognized because seems i don't understand nothing of electronics and i not have any credibility in this community, and of course i did not make claims what seems Essential for some persons.
I put again the link of the video with the "apparently" COP above 1 
https://youtu.be/Te7NcDY-afQ?t=18

cheers

Nelson Rocha

PS- look to date of video

[ramset]

Nelson
Don't take it personally
Partzman has done the same work for years, and when he was unable to loop it [still trying]
he would put it down and rest a bit
but its been on his bench at OUR for several years but many more years than that on His Lab bench.

he has always assumed an error [we are supposed to do that with claims this big]
but he is unable to find the obvious??error

not that it was ignored but not really taken seriously either [by the community]

Then Nelson comes along...And I asked Partzman again about this {pancake coils]
as we have discussed it casually from time to time over the years ,and its always been on his bench at OUR for anyone who can
visit the forum to see[member or not]

and now we are here??

looking for the error and hoping not to find an error ,but a vindication.

one way or the other
this is good for the community!
and the fellows are having an amazing time with this puzzle
although I think the Koala works too hard on this, he loves it and its hard to do {frustrating to loop].


Thanks
Chet

[nelsonrochaa]

Nelson
Don't take it personally
Partzman has done the same work for years, and when he was unable to loop it [still trying]
he would put it down and rest a bit
but its been on his bench at OUR for several years but many more years than that on His Lab bench.

he has always assumed an error [we are supposed to do that with claims this big]
but he is unable to find the obvious??error

not that it was ignored but not really taken seriously either [by the community]

Then Nelson comes along...And I asked Partzman again about this {pancake coils]
as we have discussed it casually from time to time over the years ,and its always been on his bench at OUR for anyone who can
visit the forum to see[member or not]

and now we are here??

looking for the error and hoping not to find an error ,but a vindication.

one way or the other
this is good for the community!
and the fellows are having an amazing time with this puzzle
although I think the Koala works too hard on this, he loves it and its hard to do {frustrating to loop].


Thanks
Chet

Hi Ramset,

The meaning of my sentence is not say that anyone is better then no one  , but show that even the less experimented person in this forum  should be see their work and opinion respected and considered , and you will sure agree with me , that not happen since begin , and that should stop and should be a lesson to many people.

Even Partzman opinion was disregarded at a certain point in this same thread in beginning and that should be motive to people think that we are learn all time   .
The most important now is see persons involved and try their best to reach the goal and that will make grow in this forum other forms of thinking in the future .
We should hear and absorb the best of all ideas and opinions and not be guided in rigid way , to people could reach their goals .

Hope the best to all experimenters

Nelson Rocha

[ramset]

Nelson

I must admit
It would be a thing of beauty if it turns out to be real

The reason it sat on the bench off and on for so long, is that old timers here have seen this "type" of effect many times
in many circuits ...circuits where the errors' were eventually found ,  this is assumed {and still is} to be one of those errors'

until proven otherwise [with looping or a gain which proves no doubt]

that is after all the scientific method

I do agree with your comments .

have a good night

Chet