Possible operating principles of device (edited title)

[Grumpy]

I'll put something together...

[Grumpy]

If the conspiracy stuff is ligit, then perhaps SM has reason to "muddy the waters".


I found the original connection to Lorentz forces in the device here:

http://www.keelynet.com/interact/archive/00000321.htm

The device is composed of circular coils of wire, on one planar frame,
with one coil inside the other, like two concentric rings, and with the
addition one or more permanent magnets that are inserted into the center
(or so?) of the inner coil ring.


It is supposedly tuned to the 7.23 Hz Earth's EM field.


It is shown in 3 sizes: about 10 inches in diameter, larger, and the
largest one was about 18-24 inches in diameter. They are placed flat
(parallel to the ground) in the air (on a glass table).


When the permanent magnet(s) is/are inserted, the secondary coil
registers an output of about 80-100 Volts, on a regular VTVM as seen on
the tape. The tape calls this Voltage DC, and also says that it is
around 5,000 Hz, which of course does not make sense.


The interesting thing is that when the output is connected to a regular
lamp light bulb, it lights up just fine - so the promoters say see! It
lights a 100 Watt bulb, so the Amperage must be 1 Amp...--> wrong...


And - when the device is operating, they say it has a resistance to any
lateral or rotational motion, like a gyroscope has that same resistance
to a rotational (only) motion
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Is this the Omnidyne group in the next email to INE?

He wanted US$25 million up front for the secret. We are aware of the
concept and have been designing our own version [snip]. He is VERY
paranoid about publicity; [snip].


The outer toroidal coil overheats and has no magic factors inside it
other than a length of the coil which is cut until resonance is
established. In the core of this outer toroidal coil is the instrument
package. A magnet is used and a resonance is established using the
mechanical (Lorentz) forces developed in the coil. The system pulses
with a DC component.


Tuning is a function of the coil mass and cross-sectional aspect ratio.
It appears an elliptical cross-section is required in the coil. The
converter package in the center of the toridal coil appears to be a
circuit to convert the pulsed DC component to AC.


This whole device is a low-voltage, low frequency, high-current form of
the high-voltage, high frequency, low current Moray device. Each system
has its good and bad points....
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EDIT:
Henry Moray - http://home.netcom.com/~sbyers11/RFenergy_Iono.html#Moray_101.4
Bounced off ionosphere or collected from that direction - this was mentioned in the main thread, but ignored.

Italian site discussing this subject stated that the instruments in the center look like a "diode valve bridge":
near the bottom - excuse Google translation:

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=http://energierinnovabili.forumcommunity.net/%3Ft%3D4523026&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=2&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dsteven%2Bmark%2Blorentz%2Bforce%2Boverheats%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26rls%3DGGLD,GGLD:2005-03,GGLD:en

[raburgeson]

Well I took it to mean something ever so slightly different. I was trying to wire the TPU so 1 field rotated 1 direction while the other field rotated the other direction. Steven said imagine what the fields do when they collide, He didn't say one had to be stationary. In view of the TPU having three sets of collectors, I decided to take time to theorise.
Instead of jumping in trying to build the device straight up, I made a  2 layer 4 section toroid wrapped on a plastic form and drove those with a distributor I made using two slip rings with 1 side on each coated with epoxy (265 degrees) to allow a slight overlap creating a true rotating field. I posted a question directly to Steven and Lindsay because results from test equipement better than ours was to be made availible. I asked if my test that showed it was not when the fields first collide, but when the centers of the fields line up that shit really happens. (Excuse the speach). I never got a reply, so, going ahead on the data gotten from my poor equipement and studying the posts I tried putting the top and bottom collector sections in parallel. rotating them and counter-rotating the center collector that was wired in series with the other pair. This did not give me a static output coil. I gave me a nice looking output scope shot who's voltage collapsed with even a 2 watt load. Now you have given me a few different ideas to try and I may just be able to collect power off this now, so thanks alot. (I was getting the kicks I think, I just wasn't collecting any usable VA) 

[Grumpy]

Counter-rotating fields - yes.   Particles of opposite charge will rotate opposite.  Look at the universe - everywhere is two magnetic fields.

Earth - two fields (proven several times, but mainstream still not convinced - see Keshe and Walter Russell)
Pulsar - two fields
Magnets - always two poles - always diverging - or at least we are told...theorized that beyond speed of light this may not hold true.

The theory presented at the beginning of this thread is not my own, but that of the late Dr. Stefan Marinov. (also spelled Stephen).  He developed the device that I mentioned and dies just before giving a lecture.  during his life he proved many physical laws to be incomplete of completely inaccurate.  All info on this device (called MAGVID) is on internet and is public domain.  Others have duplicated the device but none will speak about it.  The implications of this device and his theories are a real eye opener.

Stationary field of SM device is from magnets and ambient earth field.

Three collectors, yes, MAGVID model by Vencislav Bujic has three collectors oppposite side of vortex than static field coil. See field map at bottom of page, other image is same as what I explained: http://www.usajohnsons.com/cool_energy_stuff/experiments/magvid.htm

TAO posted the following quote from SM - recovered from Google cache:

About the collector:
It is three separate coils of multi strand copper wire laid one on top of the other, not interleaved. Three is important. You can do many things with three coils. You can run them in parallel, you can run two in series and one in parallel, or etc.
You can run a separate frequency into each coil for better control on large power units if need be.
The control wiring is vertically wound in several segments around each of the horizontal collector coils. Other control wires are wound around all of the horizontal collector coils together.
Through the different control wire and coil wire arrangements you can keep complete control of the unit most of the time. However, you must have an emergency KILL switch. A way of cutting off all the control frequencies simultaneity. This kill switch must be, manual and also connected through a heat sensor buried within the collector coil. it should automatically stop the function of the unit before it self destructs on it's own. This is important for obvious reasons. Also the kill switch should also be connected to cut off whenever it measures over voltage. If that should ever happen, you would never have enough time to hit the kill switch before the inevitable explosion occurred.
You know, it is very similar to the idea of a long garden hose. Picture a hose with water in it. If you pick up one end and move along the length of the hose you will move the water constantly along in the direction you are moving. You could also squeeze the hose in the direction to move the water along as well. And you could do both to control the movement of the water more precisely. You can think of the movement of water as the movement of electrons through the collector coils.
I hope the things I share with you give you ideas about how my unit works. As you know, I am a great believer in understanding, not copying.
Sincerely,
SM.

Marinov stated that his model of the device worked up to 30MHZ and that at over 10mhz - very strange thing happend - this is same upper frequency as the "scorch field" generator mentioned before - again we see orthogonal fields.

Have not tried pancake coils - wound bifilar - Tesla style - but know that field of pancake is shaped like a cone - very strong in center.

Is Steven's device is in any way similar to Marinov device - it is best he stay hidden or go very public.  Marinov also had the theory and the math to back it all up - very dangerous - he dies under mysterious cuircumstances - supposed suicide - fell 4 stories backwards - no blood - left a final testament before his death.

I believe Steven did not have the complete theory that Marinov had.  I think he found the "kicks" (very sudden change in magnetic field) to impart energy burst.  His circuit may have drifted at higher frequency as well.

Also, Ampere proved that perpendicular wires do experience a force between themselves - this is 1/2 that of parallel wires.

JDO3000 mentioned on physics forum that SM got kicks with coils wrapped around lamp wire.  Field at end of coil will turn to go other direction because field must diverge - this goes for both B field and A field.  A field in center of torioid must also diverge (close in a loop).
Steven should have noticed the folowing effects within the field - less pronounced at lower frequency:

Sorry for long post - much to discuss.

[Grumpy]

two counter-rotating vortex - opposed = cavitation

The "implosion" of Victor Schauberger is "cavitation".

Extremely rapid collapse of the "medium" as result of cavitation.

Cavitation known to produce intense heat.

hyperkinetic zone and particle shear (using water as anology)

Marinov was able to achieve "light cylinder" like that of a pulsar.

If magnetic field, A-field or B-field, is not able to diverge (close) then it will be "non-conservative" - even if only for an instant.

(According to Maxwell A and B fields MUST diverge)

(No wonder Stefan Marinov is no longer with us.)