THE RANT ROOM

[onepower]

SL

No offense taken - but just because I'm a Capitalist Pig doesn't mean I'm all the things you accuse me of.
Drop by some time and you'll find out - and yea, I grew up on a farm east of Edmonton, and I can still
milk a cow, ride a horse and rope! (well sort of ?)
And, I still enjoy sailing Yachts, good booze, a fast Mercedes, and inventing stuff, as well! Take care!

I think you missed my point, the majority of very wealthy people inherited there money and/or by being ruthless business people. Capitalism has little to do with it. Like Elon Musk demanding his employees work 80hr weeks, minimum wages with no worker rights. It's well know Musk screwed over most people he came into contact with which is how he became so wealthy. Good for him, I'm just saying if you do business with people like him they will probably screw you over too because it's in there nature.

On capitalism, capitalism is an economic system based on the private ownership of the means of production and their operation for profit. Capitalism works but nowhere in this definition does it say one has to act like an asshole to be a capitalist. Yet many people use capitalism as an excuse to act badly, ergo capitalism is not bad the people acting badly are bad. They use capitalism as a scapegoat implying the system is being attacked when in reality it's them and there bad behavior.

For example...
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22371585/
Higher social class predicts increased unethical behavior

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/02/28/rich-people-cheat-lie-break-law_n_1306167.html
Rich People 'More Likely To Lie, Cheat And Break The Law'

https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/study-rich-people-behave-more-unethically-than-poor/
Study: Rich People Behave More Unethically Than Poor

I mentioned this because inventors are magnitudes more likely to get shafted by wealthy business people/investors. Almost every successful free energy inventor here I talked to or read about in the literature was screwed over by these people. This is the real reason why most people have never even heard of this technology. Here is how it works, the middle/business men buy or steal the technology then eventually flip it and sell it to a fossil fuel company for millions/billions of dollars. The fossil fuel company then bankrupts or buries the company and the tech with it. Problem solved and it's business as usual...

AC

[rakarskiy]

Good ethical question. Wealth is a means of power, and power is never enough. Moreover, the minority in power is afraid of losing that power to the anger of the majority. It doesn't matter whether it's communism, fascism, socialism or capitalism.
The sign of intilegent is the refusal of meanness. An intelligent capitalist is one who aims to do good through his means: to open a university, to provide education to the poor so that they can have and support a family. Everyone cannot be a leader. I have encountered very rich people, unfortunately there was not a single intellectual among them. For them business is a bloody fight for their power and grinding people's fates. That's the reason why I don't want to work with them.

[onepower]

rakarskiy

Good ethical question. Wealth is a means of power, and power is never enough. Moreover, the minority in power is afraid of losing that power to the anger of the majority. It doesn't matter whether it's communism, fascism, socialism or capitalism.

Indeed, many of the wealthiest people claim religion, politics, patriotism, countries and borders are for the poor. They suppose to go where they please and do as they please with no restrictions. There only real belief is more wealth and power by any means necessary.

Elon Musk and Trump are a good examples, remember when they were pretending to care and be good people?. However once they duped everyone and got what they wanted there attitude changed. Now they demand complete loyalty and obedience to there wishes. Now there banning or cancelling all there critics and even suggesting prison or worse. You know free speech but only as long as the speech agrees with them. Strange how once they got what they wanted they became a completely different person. As if they were always a psychopath and it was all an act.

In fact, I think it was 60 minutes which interviewed a few billionaires recently. They openly claimed there goal had nothing to do with helping anyone only destroying the competition. A competition to make as much as they can to rise to the top no matter how many people got hurt in the process. However they only admitted this after the fact once they got what they wanted and retired, funny how that works...

AC

[floodrod]

Elon Musk and Trump are a good examples, remember when they were pretending to care and be good people?. However once they duped everyone and got what they wanted there attitude changed. Now they demand complete loyalty and obedience to there wishes.

AC

https://overunity.com/19486/re-ukraine-and-russia/msg578404/#msg578404

"""""   Please only strictly discuss Free Energy technologies over here in this forum.
Politics will only generate hatred...as we have just seen.
So I will ban everry member, who will again start to post political discussions.
Please go to a different forum, if you want to exchange your political opinions...
Many thanks for understanding.
Regards, Stefan. ( Admin)   """"""

Personally I am sick of reading these political jabs.. 

[SolarLab]

Here's a couple of PM's from Ramset.

Maybe you all can help me out in deciphering them - he's a phone guy apparently: 

Hate to just write him off as a fruitcake so I ask your help!

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NASA METER - review before getting into the Ramset (possible BS):
https://www.facebook.com/holcombenergysystems/videos/nasa-recommended-meters-confirm-incredible-hes-performance/3299516646991635

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Too many issues with you
Seems you have some war going on

With everyone

And yes I started topic when a fellow I had asked for help
On another invention we were looking to open source
That one turned out to be a scammer
Anyhow
He called me to be nice ("He" is not really an open source guy)
He said
Have a look at this one (Holcomb) it seems amazing
So I started a topic
Now he sends me notes to run from Holcomb
And mentions many persons who did very strict measurements ( including him)

And NASA test was refused by Holcomb ,they asked what the test protocol would be
BTW NASA test would've been no charge with all documentation if it passed rigor
Keys to the city for a business?

Test protocol was to be 3 calibrated water vessels hooked to each phase
Power in over temp rise over time etc etc

So NASA test quote is misleading

Also
Big refinery in Oklahoma with huge market for Holcomb
Could not get it working weeks and weeks of trying
Many other examples from others

Did talk to fellow down your way today
He said he went there a while back with engineer
It was in-house test /show
And no argument could be made with shown results
He chose not to invest
He feels it's real and says he knows how it works ( said he is not free to discuss)
He use to be an open source guy
Now ??

Anyhow he spoke with Holcomb and Ellen few days back ( I had asked him to double check
If they were still in business ..

He said they were talking about some disagreement with building owner and business?
I'll call him again in a few weeks

I will try to reach out for this Bob Walker
Quite certain I will get to speak with him
BTW
Original guy that contacted me

Did a redo of Florida power company test during few days they were there
Did not see gain at meter ( they had their own test equipment

Other examples too

I hope you have real deal and get your wish

BTW
Did call one Angel donor contact today
He felt a working prototype would get things going
He is a physicist ( a man of faith)
I get the feeling you already have investors involved
And perhaps it's best for you to keep sourcing similar business oriented
People

We are looking to open source ( and yes pay inventor for compensation)
And there is absolutely no financial gain involved on this end.

This info has been pinging in my head for a long time
All the people contacting with bad results
It is truly taunting
Stefan does know man who gave me original info on Holcomb
I introduced him months ago

I have not spoken with Stefan about this
Keep hoping you really have something...

Respectfully
Chet
Ps
Sorry if text is hard to read
I suck at writing
And this tiny screen drives me batty
I'm a phone ( talk) guy

Not writing any of this on forum

Please keep it that way

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ramset July 29, 2023 12:24;23 PM
Unfortunately

Always drama

I truly hope you have something running with gain
People will support that (duh)
The only advantage those people ( of faith)
Might offer
Is money to compensate your efforts
And no need to deal with all the nonsense associated with
Doing business
No patents required
No government or other approval for bringing something to "plug and play"
Status ( underwriters lab etc etc

Problem with using Holcomb as your latch point for claims or
Success

Seems now there is much negative news ( and a lot comes from customers who paid

And also the use of word NASA in comments ?

They refused offer ( only stipulation for offer was it needed to work as mentioned)
There was a recommendation made on hand meter ,but certainly no endorsement
Test was to be 3phase caloric heating of individual calibrated water vessels
Very known science

Yes I am also a bit suspicious of this ( is there someone trying to suppress them ?)
Or ?

I hope you have something real ...
Ultimately that is all that matters!

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Thanks in advance - our comments and guidance is appreciated, as always...

BTW - Does it look fake to you?  If so, then just move on!

SL