The Old Standard Ignition System. Battery. Coil. Points. And Condenser....

[MileHigh]

Im not going to waste my time on a test that is padded and loaded to block any resonance that could be had.

Change the ugly knife switch for a spring-loaded SPST switch to get a better more consistent spark with and without the capacitor and use a sniffer coil to check what is going on with the ignition spark on the secondary output.  That's a "padded and loaded" test?

[Magluvin]

Mags

In regards to your comment that i would only approve MHs comments anyway-->only if his comment was on topic,and of a descent nature.
I hardly ever get on the forums anymore anyway.

Ok,regarding the topic at hand.

The condenser serves many purposes,and here is one to think about.

We all know that if we remove the condenser ,we get very erratic engine running--back firing through the carby-and all sorts.
But how could the timing be that advanced that it would backfire through the carby?..

First thing to do,would to be to look at the ignition coil,which is just a transformer--what is it's rated output voltage?
Most are between 30,000-40,000 volt's
So,the average supply voltage(battery voltage) when an engine is running,is around 14.4 volts.
Lets say our coil is one of the 30,000 volt one's.
The average turn ratio in an ignition coil is around 100:1

So in a transformer sense,100 x 14.4 would give us a voltage of 1440v at the secondary when the points close.-->Remember,we are talking about normal transformer voltage produced here,and not flyback voltage produced across the secondary--which is where the 30,000 volts comes from.

Most plug gaps are between 1 and 1.2mm
It takes 1000v per mm to form an arc within the environment of the engine cylinder 

What roll dose the condenser play here in this one example?.


Brad

Well I suppose that it was just coincidence that you happened by to approve MHS posts(2 out of 3 of them at first, then a bit later approving the 3rd one, that happened to be in between the first approved initially). That has me thinking he asked you to do so. And then said"hey you forgot one!! Like super man you appear, after what you say "I hardly ever get on the forums anymore anyway."  Just sayin....
Do as you wish. It is your responsibility here now. Im out on the moderation thing in this whole topic. Its all yours. Do as you will... Or is it Mhs will...


First thing I see, Is you come here as some authority on this, claiming that you havnt seen anyone fully describe the circuit yet. Well then if you are really 'in the know' about these ignition systems as they really should be, then 'you should know' that there is suppose to be a ballast resistor in series with the primary which would bring the actual coil voltage down to 6-7v, not this 14.4v as you clearly state here.  So you dont know what your talking about either. Otherwise you would clearly know that the voltage across the coil could never be 14.4v as you stated it should be. And then you do some 100:1 calculations and so on.    The only thing you got right there was the 100 to 1 ratio. Thats not hard to find in a quick search....



So what kind of alternators do you guys have down under that 14.4v is an average supply voltage?  Most that I see are 14v and under, closer to 13.5v. Have not seen any that do above 15v(unless it is a special after market unit that gives that), what you would say here, above average voltage. Anyway, I just wonder. Maybe they are that way there.. ill look it up 'to see for myself'.


So now we get to the meat... 


"So in a transformer sense,100 x 14.4 would give us a voltage of 1440v at the secondary when the points close.-->Remember,we are talking about normal transformer voltage produced here,and not flyback voltage produced across the secondary--which is where the 30,000 volts comes from.

Most plug gaps are between 1 and 1.2mm
It takes 1000v per mm to form an arc within the environment of the engine cylinder 

What roll dose the condenser play here in this one example?."


So ok. we will go with your professional opinion that the voltage across the primary is fantasy land 14.4v. If your still ok with that..

Now you say that when the switch closes and we are now putting 14.4 fantasy volts across the primary, and that the normal transformer would produce the also fantasy 1440v at the secondary output, AND then your "Most plug gaps are between 1 and 1.2mm", AND your "It takes 1000v per mm to form an arc", Then why does the spark not occur when the points close and only appear when the points open? ?? Clearly you are stating that the gap in the spark plug is the proper distance of 1-1.2mm and that 1000v can jump 1mm and the sec develops 1440v that should be able to jump that gap of 1mm and even 1.2mm!!!  Did you read that?? Read it again! 

lol  You do not know what you claim to know brad. Simple as that you do not know.  It is just MH bullshit from start to finish... Do you still stand buy all that you have said here? ??


So dont ever come into MY thread and tell me how it is, acting as if I dont know, unless you really know what your talking about. Because I will tear it up with your own words just like I did with MH. 


So then you finally say "What roll dose the condenser play here in this one example?."

From what I just exposed of your supposed authoritative knowledge on this subject, and you with all your vids on gas engines and such, I have no idea where you are going with that last question of "What roll dose the condenser play here in this one example?."  No idea at all.  Even if you had it right in all the other parts of your post, Im still at large with your question of the caps roll here by going on your supposed in depth description.   

Your description is full of holes and far from complete as to ask that last question and and expect an answer based on the rest of your description. More MH handywork.


Ever since you had the problems that occurred for you because of your presenting info on you rotary transformer, you appear to be someone else now. You are not the same guy I once respected here before all that. I dont know exactly what happened then, but I do know some. But what ever it was and however hard it hit you, you are a different guy now.  Since then I have seen you do this same thing you have done here in your post. You barge in and slap down some stuff that just aint right at all and say its conclusive, move along folks, nothing more to see here. And I truly believe your conversations here on this would end on that note if I hadnt put you in your place just now..

Sorry brad, but it is what it is..

Mags

edit   Was saving this to blow away a response to this post, but couldnt wait 
The rest of my reply is at the top of the next page...
http://overunity.com/17482/the-old-standard-ignition-system-battery-coil-points-and-condenser/msg512321/#msg512321

[Magluvin]

I see your post waiting for approval MH. You will have to wait for your side kick brad to approve your posts from now on.  Im not really interested in your bullshit side winder talk any longer. So sit and wait for your buddy to come to your beck and call.   Im done here with you.  Clearly a waste of time putting this thread up for your twisting of reality as you have shown in your description of this circuit..

Mags

[Magluvin]

You have brad do your tests MH.  Im not doing anything for you.  Just a simple response to your yet to be approved post.

Mags

[Magluvin]

One thing i am going to do here in MY thread daily, starting tomorrow, is post the links to MHs and brads descriptions and the links to my replys after the fact. Just so they dont get lost in the mess you are using to cover those up as people forget soon enough. Right M?? Well Im going to keep reminding the readers, every day... And if Brad moderates ME because of it? I will have a nice discussion on this with Stefan and get brad off of moderation here. With all the facts of what is going on, Im sure I can make that happen. 

I have made screen shots of the posts and page saves that i talk about above. So if brad does a hilary clinton and 'wipes' the thread of all that, I still have the proof that it existed.. I take that idea from Tk. He does that also, and some others.

Mags