Confirmation of OU devices and claims

[overcurrent]

Hi Tinselkoala

Is this coming down to real power versus apparent power or is that not where you are going with these questions, just wondering thanks.

[rickfriedrich]

G,
I guess the first point to make is that the question of when and where am I referring to gain. What you are doing in in all of this is referring to an unloaded tank circuit. Obviously gain is when something is actually being used as such. Now there is real potential and that is real energy even though you guys only consider power measurements as real. Now you can talk all you want about the phase angle, which I said is important, but that capacitor is charging up to the voltage across it and so is the inductor. It is not transmitting a 9V output as it does when out of resonance. The gain is seen in the total environmental effect. That was one of my points where you can see that there is real gain in a tank circuit, and that is why it is called multiplication and amplification. You can measure the radiation differences and see for yourself if you know how to do that.

Now I am not going to go over the changing of the phasing because that deals with proprietary systems I am not going to talk about. If you really understand more than the basics you mention, if you really get what is going on, then you can run loads without drawing energy... But at this basic level, the point to focus on is the practical results. All you are doing is attempting to requote mainstream theory that selectively focuses on certain things while failing to consider the full environmental effects. I'll return to that point again.

You can add a resistor in the mix to make a parallel LCR and measure some power that way. While another identical resistor in series with circuit will allow you to compare the differences and see some gain. However, we need to still consider the radiation output.

Power is not = to energy.

I believe I responded to your statement to Nick. It depends on what you are doing and how you look at things...

The problem is that it does translate to real output despite you denying it. It is a matter of observation not to determine by formula. When I resonate a physical object is it just an equation difference or does the whole piano come alive, including the soundboard? In the real world we see real gains with resonance.

Voltage is energy and real potential and while the cap voltage is high it really is useful energy. You may not use it, just like you may not have ears to hear the vibrations of a piano, but the radiation is there, and it is intense. It is also a very good pump to draw in electrons. And once you understand all the other processes that are not taught in college, then you can combine this to create a real energy pump without loading down this tank. You can mirror that with other reactive parts like L2 while drawing in more electrons from the air or ground. You want to limit yourself to the basics of phasing while missing the whole point here. You are stuck on first base and can't go to second base because you don't look around to find it and realize you have to turn 90 degrees...

I care about every fact in all of this. Even when they are shared in a narrow context that is out of context.

No I didn't bring in Stan's cell to explain away but to show that you can still have a tank circuit doing something practical while it is still a resonant tank being used for electrical purposes. And the coil can still be a transmitter as well. My point is multiple outputs. I do such things with the motors all the time, but it can be done with the water cell. The total output is in everything you influence. It is not a mere derivative of the input power and what you measure there. That is only the wasted energy and how fast you kill the source charge. If you measure all the outputs then it is like considering all the piano strings vibrating in addition to the primary. And just like my fan example, I not only use the fan normally, but now I am running other loads (which even on many basic models can allow for battery rotation and continuous running).

Stan's water cell is not only used for splitting water, but can create electrical output at the same time. But the voltage gains are absolutely used at their raised levels. So this shows you that the cell is really charged and the voltage can do real work. A good 3 times more splitting of water than regular electrolysis. So you can see that the voltage gains translate to real results in the oscillating tank while still being able to function as producing electrical output. But I say that the coil can also be used as a transmitter as well. And if you're real creative you can drive a motor off of one end of it as well  If you know me, I'll probably show that at some point just because that is expected of me...

I understand your point but remember you don't have my kit and keep assuming many things. Just when you assume I didn't address something, then I say it is already covered. There are many tests in the kit, even on the beginners section. The advance section, which is the majority of the book, opens up endless doors when you consider two wire systems, one wire systems, wireless, and combining all three of these in all the possible tesla systems. Mind you I am not steering away from your one point here about the basic tank. However, you are over simplifying the whole environmental effect. It's like you just want to talk about the feet and not consider the rest of the body when talking about the person. It's like being stuck in 2D and missing out on 3D. You just have to see it in the real world and not just focus on some mathematical model.

Your nothing buttery fallacy science is bad because it assumes everything is just a part of it or one aspect of it. It is selective, limited, and not realistic. It is not wholistic. For someone who is "sure" OU is doable for no actual reasons, you are clearly set on your limited models that would make OU impossible. At some point you just have to come onto my boat and take a ride for the summer and see for yourself. You'll see then that the power meter is only showing the killing of the source charge and telling you nothing about the other battery charging up. Or just look again at the video because the lights can't be that bright at 0.04W  haha I can't prove it to you but you know that its truer than your hope of OU as stated earlier. I'm not going to go any further to try and over explain or prove any of this. It can only be done in the real world. People need to see these things for themselves. It's not a big deal if Itsu doesn't get it and does something else. People are experiencing this in a practical way just like they do with pianos. With each freely ringing oscillation (which is not happening with FG) we have real voltage rise which corresponds to real charging up of capacitors to high voltage, which translates to real radiation, which can influence many many coils to resonant with their own electrons and grounding. Or we can go to chapter two and have our one wire output and do many things with that... Oh and still have that as a wireless influencer (transmitter).

Your other question to me has been: "is there any real gain with resonance?" and you said twice that I avoided answering it. 
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But you need to clarify what you mean on gain: voltage, current, power, energy gain?
I would agree with voltage or current gain in resonant LC circuits.
If you claim power (or energy) gain too, then you would need to demonstrate it by measurements.

You have a voltage gain and voltage is not power or energy in itself.

Of course you will not care about this fact.

and you then simply brought in Stan Meyer's HHO setup to explain away the phase angle issue. In Meyer's setup the reactive current between the plates of the capacitor is submerged in water is used for water splitting as part of a resonant LC circuit. Yes, this is possible that you utilize capacitive current, here the phase angle does not matter between capacitor current and the resonant voltage across the coil from the resulting HHO point of view. But in your resonance kit you simply have no any means to reuse reactive current in your LC circuits. This is why I stressed above the ongoing topic have always been your resonant kit setup and not another setup.  And you stormed at me on my bad science...     

[rickfriedrich]

If you are asking for proof you can only see that in the real world. Is that so hard? And why is a fan so uninteresting. It is the most basic thing that instantly proves OU. I suspect it is because you don't want to believe this.
I still haven't finished editing that long video because of all these posts.

   Is there any of my questions that you can answer???   We are not asking for you to show us brushing your teeth.
   We are asking for you to measure the output current. Is that so hard?  Not just more excuses for not doing so.   We are all holding our breath....   Glad that you like my humor. But, I'm starting to turn blue.
    I was not talking about noisy impulse motors or fan builds. Not not here for that.
   NickZ

   

[rickfriedrich]

G,
That is a clear diversion from my point. I notice that is the first time you did not quote what I wrote. Everyone knows here what surely means. It is not merely possibility. This is the only example where you have done this. And you took a very long time to finally come clean on this. So now we know you have zero experience with OU and that you only hope it is real because of some anomaly. It is obvious why you didn't just answer me about this. Because not only did you imply otherwise, which is totally uncharacteristic of you to do in anything else, but you avoided answering this for many weeks. You could have just simply said I don't believe in OU but it may be a possibility because we haven't figured out everything yet. Instead you twisted it to sound like you had some substantial reason for believing it. Again, if it wasn't a problem statement that you didn't want to admit or be corrected on then you would have just responded. I find this kind of thing to be sneaky and hiding intentions. And I have pointed out several other examples of deliberate misrepresenting things. You are an intelligent person so these things are not accidents like they may be with some of these other guys. I'm just saying I notice these kinds of things more than I care about insults.

Rick,
This is an international forum with members from many countries where English is not spoken. English is the second language for me (and I have a 3rd and 4th language knowledge too but becoming rusty on them because I do not use them as often as I used to in the past.).
So you should not ride on high horse with English grammar semantics here because you are blessed with good English and you certainly make a very good philosopher too. 
I do not know if you speak another language or languages beside the English, if you do, then you may as well have some problems with semantics (no offense intended) and would understand this problem.
I do think many members here did understand what I wanted to express and they do not care whether I had written "can surely be" or "there can be".  Rather, they also focus on the technical pieces of information. 

Gyula

[rickfriedrich]

T,
I shared that already. One of my students has a video showing that with the kit a year ago.

@Itsu:
I note you are using the IXDD614P mosfet driver. This driver incorporates an "enable" pin 3 which can be used for all kinds of neat stuff, like audio modulation for example. You could send music to a pickup coil and instead of it having a useless load, use a speaker! You could call it "radio" !

But even more significant is the high impedance clock input. This means you can make your system "autoresonating" simply by using a small antenna and a couple of diodes (to clamp the voltage from the small antenna.) The FG will provide an initial "kick" that doesn't even need to be particularly close to the resonant frequency, and then the antenna/diode can provide enough signal to the driver input pin to take over and automagically boost the frequency into self-resonance. The FG can be disconnected at that point. Sometimes the initial kick can be provided by a simple toggle switch. All that is needed is a single impulse to get the tank ringing, then the pickup antenna takes over at the ring (resonant) frequency. And the system will stay tuned as the environment changes, within limits.

Of course you may or may not want to do this. Since the gate driver will provide nice fast rise and fall times of the current to the transmitter coil, and it will always be in exact resonance, the voltage in the coil-cap tank can rise to quite high levels. You will of course get greater range to your receivers and you may even see the odd CFL bulb light up in the area. And et cetera.

But is it OU?