Confirmation of OU devices and claims

[a.king21]

The fact is that no-one has disproved Rick's claims. When someone shows a video with 75 receiver coils looking just like Rick's video and says it's not ou then we have a challenge to his claim and no more.
At the moment the hard facts are that there are NO challenges that are credible to his claim.
  Get over it.
So from a pure science perspective the score is

RICK 1, NAYSAYERS  0

EE theory goes nowhere (so far)  in a claim situation like this. (Unless you embrace Rick's theory)



And in case you missed it -  Rick did not patent his claim.  He gave it to the world for FREE.

[WhatIsIt]

And in case you missed it -  Rick did not patent his claim.  He gave it to the world for FREE.

King,

Dont get me wrong. Even after 100 pages I still dont know Rick's setup.
When he explain how he does it, then I can try to do the same and convince myself in the stuff you claim.

Otherwise it is Mobius loop of claims and no real try done.
You can speak and claim as much as you want, but if nobody can replicate it, what is the purpose of all of this talk?

[lancaIV]

The fact is that no-one has disproved Rick's claims. When someone shows a video with 75 receiver coils looking just like Rick's video and says it's not ou then we have a challenge to his claim and no more.
At the moment the hard facts are that there are NO challenges that are credible to his claim.
  Get over it.
So from a pure science perspective the score is

RICK 1, NAYSAYERS  0

EE theory goes nowhere (so far)  in a claim situation like this. (Unless you embrace Rick's theory)



And in case you missed it -  Rick did not patent his claim.  He gave it to the world for FREE.

I  have got nothing against Mr.Friedrichs' claims,without to know what his claims really are  !
Instead 75 coils 75 and more bulbs


Reading : https://patents.google.com/patent/WO2004100349A1/en

and  knowing that beside Volt and Ampere the European net-grid works with "stable" 50 Hz frequency.
Seriell resistors effect : frquency and/or duty cycle divider ? bulb filament actio/ reactio behaviour ?

Light elements are "physiological" indicators,without real output  measurements by appropriate instruments

related

"flickering" (1/10,1/100,1/1000 sec cam sequences ) and/or

lux/lumen and/or

heat units/ calori)

we do not know about the real output/input ratio.

Other example :

https://patents.google.com/patent/US5130608A/en
PRR : pulse repetition rate ( and our eyes reaction delay)

Before : 100 W lamp consume             with module : 4 Watt lamp + 8 Watt ( the modul consume)

                                                                                            lumen/Watt ? calori/Watt
A power saving device, not claimed : OU

We have to disclose ( and differ) physical and technical peak and average power consume ( with/-out feed back circuit)

[gyulasun]

Rick,

Thanks for your answer of https://overunity.com/17491/confirmation-of-ou-devices-and-claims/msg537327/#msg537327

For now I quote these from that post:

"In my motors there was a dramatic difference in the output with and without the gate driver while the input power was the same with or without."

"Now it doesn't matter to me if it was merely an impedance issue as that is very important. But it is still an impedance issue in a different way."

Yes, when you pulse coils at off resonance, then the rate of change does count i.e. how fast the coil current is interrupted and the magnetic field collapses. The higher the switching speed the higher the voltage spike amplitude that appears across the coil just after the current is switched off.  This is okay.

It is also okay that a gate driver can provide very fast switching speeds constantly and in a dependable way.

Please perform the following simple test for yourself,  it takes only a few minutes and you have the TX coil (around 150 uH) and the capacitor resonating the TX circuit around 1.2 MHz, at your disposal (I think). 

Drive it with the gate driver IC as usual and check the coil voltage with the HV scope probe, you will surely find some kV peak to peak sine wave amplitude, right?  Receiver coils nearby are not needed for this test. 

Now just insert a 50 Ohm non wire wound resistor in series with the output pin and drive the same series LC circuit in the same setup. In fact any resistor value between 47 and 56 Ohm would do or some series and / or parallel combos of some resistors to have the near 50 Ohm value.  Of course you can insert the resistor at the bottom end of the series LC circuit where it goes to the common negative rail of the IC, instead of directly in series with the IC output pin at the LC top end, it does not matter.

Now please explain why you find that the some kV amplitude the coil has had earlier now has gone down to a few tens to max a few hundred volt amplitude ? (to any value between say 50-300 Vpp, much depends mainly on the TX coil DC resistance) 

Nothing has changed in your setup but the Q quality factor (X_L/R) value of the LC circuit,  the fast switching speed of the driver IC has remained the same,  resistive loads do not affect switching speed of such driver ICs at all (but capacitive or inductive loads do, their data sheet includes the specs). 

And if you use the metered DC power supply to feed the driver IC for the above test, you would nicely see how the DC power draw changes: maximum draw manifests without the series 50 Ohm (no receiver coils present) and a much lower power draw manifests when the 50 Ohm is inserted. 

Anybody can test this for himself, although a HV scope probe is not commonly possessed by most and without reducing the kV amplitude below the 300 Vpp level which is safe for most scope channel inputs, such tests are not recommended. A random search on a how to make a 100:1 scope probe is here but there are several other designs if you search, (on youtube there is even a 1000:1 probe design).   
https://how-to.fandom.com/wiki/How_to_make_a_100X_oscilloscope_probe 
For such test only a comparison is needed between a high and a relatively lower voltage amplitude, no need for lab precision. Safety rules when dealing with HV should strictly be adhered to of course.

Gyula

[Void]

The fact is that no-one has disproved Rick's claims. When someone shows a video with 75 receiver coils looking just like Rick's video and says it's not ou then we have a challenge to his claim and no more.
At the moment the hard facts are that there are NO challenges that are credible to his claim.
  Get over it.
So from a pure science perspective the score is
RICK 1, NAYSAYERS  0
EE theory goes nowhere (so far)  in a claim situation like this. (Unless you embrace Rick's theory)
And in case you missed it -  Rick did not patent his claim.  He gave it to the world for FREE.

A.king, It is of course not for others to 'disprove' various people's unsubstantiated claims.
It is for Rick, or anyone else, to actually demonstrate their own stated or implied claims in some sort of reasonable way,
if they want people to take them seriously. Instead what Rick does is back peddle and claim or imply that he never made
any such 'OU' claims, all the while implying that it is 'OU'. Do you really not see how underhanded that is? At any rate, I have
already showed that lighting LED lights fairly brightly only takes a relatively small amount of power, and what Rick demonstrated is
within what would be expected for that sort of input power level. There is no question about that.  Just because you
choose to blind yourself to such things, doesn't make them any less true.

Rick has not (so far) demonstrated anything that anyone with any degree of understanding of electronics
and physics would view as possibly 'OU'.  Sorry. All the trolling in the world is not going to change that.

A person actually has to demonstrate proper measurements in a reasonable way, or
show a self sustaining setup, again in some sort of reasonable way. Now if Rick ever shows a self sustaining
demonstration setup along the lines of what I posted a link to here previously, then I would say, OK, maybe there is something there. 
Maybe then it would be worth trying to replicate if all the exact details of the setup were posted here.

Cult mind is a scary thing. Beware of those who promise the moon but who only deliver rocks from the road.