Confirmation of OU devices and claims

[lancaIV]

benfr,not to think about C.O.P. the simplest question here is :

how many lumen per Watts or Watth can be reached ?! Using a lamp as "output"-indicator

For example :    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=M3YWB-noPNo

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=homZvbKZHlU

Comparison and confirmation : better, as same, worser



One -from my view - most important parameter- for usefull output :
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duty_cycle
we have to differ peak from average power input : power on/ off timing
What we are doing and in re-/search :
       from net-grid to off-/ extra-grid controls :

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_demand_(electric_power)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demand_response
negative power factor and positive power factor balancing

[benfr]

Overunity which is a misnomer, (better use efficiency or COP),

I totally agree, and I prefer to use the term COP = 7 generally speaking.
With that already, there is plenty of room to play for me...

You think that the results I am pointing this forum at are irrelevant regarding calculations you mention. But I do not need those calculations, Gyula.
My purpose is not to measure everything. It is to make a use of one little thing : voltage amplification and amperage conservation.
I do not care about the other parameters because they are not needed to power my light with free voltage lovingly offered.

First anyway, I wish to thank you for taking the time to explain your view and calculations. It is respectable.
I believe it can help some people more in the know and understanding than I am capable of, on this very forum.
My purpose is not to understand , it is to show working COP > 1 machines that work as the exploration of God's Secrets and Unlimited Love show are everywhere for us to look and pick and say Thank You.

The article https://www.electronics-tutorials.ws/accircuits/series-resonance.html
states in plain sight voltage amplification :
' The result of this is that the magnitudes of the voltages across the inductor, L and the capacitor, C can become many times larger than the supply voltage'
In effect this theory is real because not only we observe it, but we can POWER A LOAD OFF THIS AMPLIFICATION OF VOLTAGE !

You state : "Try to estimate how much power your neon bulb consumes."
I don't need to ! I know my input with my frequency generator ! it's 5 watts and it doesn't budge.
So your knowledge is of great value, and much greater than my own, thanks for sharing it.

Itsu "I wish it would be that simple, but besides voltage, current and power, there are also things like phase, real power, reactive power, etc.":
I understand you itsu.
Tell me one thing : when you read a book at night, do you need to know the phase value ? Or is a lighted bulb enough for you ? It if it not enough, then I guess this forum and this thread may not fulfill your expectations. For this you have also schools, universities, and experience.
You say you wish that was so simple ? I have no idea if it is. From what you are exposing it seems it is not that simple, in effect...
To convince yourself of the simplicity , please show us your frequency generator and please light your NE2 bulb without the little additions I introduced.
Where has the light gone if it disappeared ? BTW congratulations again for taking the time to fabricate a similar setup and sharing it.

Now let us look carefully once again at this machine.
I now what is the input of the frequency generator and it does not change. Right ? Its consumption is 5 watts.
I can measure the current if I need. But I don't need that because I trust it is unchanged on the paper & theory. It could be checked though - why not go that way even if I have already accepted the answer that it doesn't move - but why someone does not build it and share his work here. I may provide this information later, when I get back for further pleasures on this...
I have also tried to power that bulb driectly from it and IT DOES NOT LIGHT UP even when it is pushed at its max (20 V), while I can power it at 8.7 V with my 3-coils system added to it.

I am not confused with theory and practice, because I am lighting a system that cannot do that by itself ! And without the use of this little addition to the system, you already said you waited without never ever glowing that NE2...and with reason ! Change the frequency to 1.1 MHZ and let us know what happens.
Are you still able to light your bulb ?

Top of the cake, this experience is the exact definition of real, free energy ! It's free because I only have done a little modification to the system, static, not consuming anything, without inputting anything more , and now it powers my room for real that it couldn't the minute earlier. It is visible and comes from apparently nowhere ! That's my definition of free energy.

This forum, I believe, is for real people looking for real solutions, which is what I have been offered by you know who and that I feel the usefulness to share.
Next time, I will show you AMPERAGE MULTIPLICATION.

lanIV "how many lumen per Watts or Watth can be reached ?! Using a lamp as "output"-indicator" => you are RIGHT. Lumen is to me another way to look at the same energy mutiplication by the secret of the universe
In this case, COP = 8 laid down (from zero lumen to a few, sort of candlelight++ as you can imagine from the photos).

[benfr]

forest  ' spotted this effect in 2005 with the room' => interesting post

[lancaIV]

Charging the lamp with 'static voltage + displacement current' would mean to reach the " ( cold) fusion circuit" :

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19900201&CC=DE&NR=3817730A1&KC=A1#


https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffmcmahon/2013/03/14/tiny-nuclear-reactions-inside-compact-fluorescent-bulbs/

Instead " solar": photo-voltaic later including phono-voltaic ( combined : thermionic channeling)


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                                   Not overunity,  work C. O. P. optimizer, but eta<1                     Instead 100W peak power only 4+8= 12 Watt average consume

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=US&NR=5130608A&KC=A&FT=D&ND=3&date=19920714&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP#

[gyulasun]

Hi benfr,

On every forum like this on alternative energy, COP is not considered to arrive at by comparing input voltage or current to output voltage or current. Why do you disregard this? 
COP estimation is based on input power (average or real) compared to output power (also average or real).

IF you do not consider this, your devices will also be disregarded as COP > 1 performers.

If your frequency generator gives out 5W to your circuit and then you drive a neon bulb from your circuit, what efficiency does it mean?

Why do not you care about common sense: you invest 5W to light up a neon bulb which normally consumes in the range from hundred microwatts up to some milliwatt power. This does not make sense.
And even if you drive LED lamps from the output of each receiver unit, you can only state your setup works as COP > 1 system if and only if you make sure by measurements that the sum of the power levels the LED lamps actually draw exceeds your 5W input from the frequency generator. 

It is not enough you say you use a 3W, a 4W and say a 5W rated LED lamp and bingo you have got 3+4+5=12W output power, hence your COP is 12W/5W = 2.4   This would be total nonsense and most unscientific.  The input power actually used by LED lamps cannot be estimated by the naked eye.
Why I feel you are pulling our legs?

Gyula