Confirmation of OU devices and claims

[Hoppy]

Like I said, it depends on what you want to do. You guys are still trying to experience OU whereas many people already have that experience and just want to improve upon their options. So it is more about what you specifically want to do with particular loads than merely trying to prove OU these days. Some people just want free air flow so they will do a fan. Others want a motor for an electric vehicle. Others want generators for electricity.

Thanks again Rick for your detailed reply. However, it has not really explained how, that if I was a student of yours, how you could satisfy me that a given system of yours was running OU, given battery vagaries we have discussed. As an example, take a multiple coil and LED system like demonstrated in the video you posted and assume that I just want to experience an OU demo from you as my tutor. Also, assume that I'm not a complete rookie and that I have a good conventional grounding in electrical principles and measurement. Take me through the stages you would take to demonstrate an OU system to me at the bench so to speak, not by video.

[Void]

Lead acid batteries in good condition are generally taken to have a charge and discharge efficiency of roughly around 85%,
but could be as low as 50% efficiency or possibly even lower depending on the exact Lead Acid battery type and the battery
condition. However, if a claimed OU circuit setup has a COP of say >= 2, then you should be able to self-loop
and completely do away with any battery at the input. You may be able to do that with an even lower COP.
If the battery is claimed to be an essential part of the OU setup, then you should still be able to self-loop
as long as you leave the circuit running in self-looped mode for a reasonable length of time in comparison to
the battery capacity.

Overall very straightforward. Some people avoid such straightforward test setups for obvious reasons however. They prefer
hand waving and rationalizations and excuses and incomplete and/or improper or at least questionable measurements and
assumptions to try to help further their cause.

Second law of OU circuit testing:
If a person refuses to put in an effort to self-loop a circuit setup under test in a reasonable way, which they are claiming is OU,
which should be quite straightforward and easy to do in most cases, then chances are very high they are just blowing smoke. 

Is that too honest?

[lancaIV]

"OU( or not" ) battery circuit/cycle :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20190328&CC=DE&NR=112017003611A5&KC=A5#   
in patent office approvement process
actually :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/inpadoc?CC=DE&NR=102016008893A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=4&date=20180125&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP#

and
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=10&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20070201&CC=ES&NR=2265253A1&KC=A1#
Technical approvement and decision : B1= protection granted ( in ES= Spain) ,date 2008-01-16

[AlienGrey]

AG,
That is very true. So when you can rotate batteries around then what does that mean about how much energy has to be produced?

I have no experience in battery shuffling. I have in my case some solar panels charged with an FET controlled charger and i only have the one battery and it doesn't like it and at over 140 Euros each time I think I will be buying Ni or a high farad capacitor battery bank next time round.

[rickfriedrich]

That's a good point Nick. I'll remember that. I guess that video was pointless then.
But I don't think so. Meters have their place and can show many valuable things. However, always remember that what you put in is what you will get out, and I'm referring to energy here, but assumptions. The meter is made to do something specific and does not notice everything.

Any readings can be wrong