Confirmation of OU devices and claims

[baudirenergie]

Hi Rick,
I have a question about series impedance in pulsemotor setups and would be very happy, if you can give me a tip what I can do. My situation is, that I was able to replicate the zero voltage process, that my Voltage on the source battery stands still a long time, and my motor runs the hole time and Lights were on. No doubt, I know it works. It was simply trail end error with different impedance, and after a lot of hours I had it. After that I was switching complete to the resonance kit and never tried the zero voltage process on pulsemotor setups again.
In the last two days it was my goal, to do it again with different small fans and bedini style motors from old days and also transformers and coils from scrap, but I struggled more then I was exepted. I had some outputs and LEDs for free, but didn't find the perfect matching anymore. Had tried to use one of the free outputs (secondary transfomer side) to loop back via rectifier to the source battery, but in my understanding it is not the right way.
My Question is: is there some tricks, that helps to find a good impedance matching. In resonance kit it is no problem for my, to get many outputs for free. You showed the tuning via variac, so I had tried small variable transformers from model railways. It helps but was not the best for my small Fans. 
Some things I have also tried:
- Tryed to reach Zero Voltage over the loads (AC and DC). I know this is only a indication that should help, not exact measurement.
- Added the biggest Transformers with large Wire diameter first, then the other Transformers that had -for example- higher Coil resistance.
- Added one transformer and matched it best I can, then I moved to the next one and also tryed to tune it.
- Used big 110AH Battery on the end.
- Used small 7Ah as Source.
- I used good low resistance labratory cables to connect everything.
- Tryed to add capacitors on every impedance that matches the frequency of the negative pulse (I used online calculator).
- If neon bulb (protection over transistor, I don't know the exact word for that) lits to much, I removed the last added impedance or tried to tune it better with capacitor in parallel.

Is there something more, that I can do to find a better matching? Can I tune the impedances via oscilloscope? Do you have shown something like that in one of your videos? If so, I can't remember, where I can find it.

Thanks a lot for all your posts, Videos and comments Rick !!!! .

[rickfriedrich]

Void,
If anyone is to make any OU rules don't you think that it should be those who have actual experience with OU???

Yes LABs can have such efficiency. So if we can rotate batteries round continuously then what does that mean? Means you have 2.5 times more output than input. You make a calculation error here by saying 2. You would have to have 2.5 times. And if you have only 80% charge in a charging battery then that would mean you really have 2 times the output given your first point. No one likes to admit that. So it is rather significant even when people cannot not fully rotate their batteries around. In fact, if I were to sell a system on the general market that was a battery rotating system I would get very little sales. But if I make it just more efficient, say 25% better than anything else, using this system, then it would/does really sell. OU doesn't sell as probably less than 10% of the population believes it.

You need to realize that the batteries are connected electrically to each other so you can't just feed them directly into each other. Of course we did many different models years ago that back popped the batteries as you guys are still after. But that was not the best or proper or easy solution. I have shown a better easier way. Also, battery rotation is actually a self-looping. So end of story. Well, we turn off the motor for a split second to rotate the batteries. So I guess that is not a constant self-looping.

I'm not sure who these "some people" are, but it's not me. I gave rides on my boat all day long and had it for three years. And I get customers calling me up, who are actually reading this exchange here, who bought my big motors years ago, and who are still charging many batteries with them. But not all people need to do a self-loop. What if I didn't charge a battery but powered another motor and that powered another motor, etc. What if I had a whole chain of motors running with one input?

We have a standing joke in my meetings. People on these forums would not care if I showed a 30KW system so long as the 30W input was not self-looped. That is more important to people than multiplying it out 10,000 times. Wouldn't it be funny if that's what people demanded on an OU forum?

Again I ask, are you in a position to know how OU works? You are the one who makes the rules and yet your name is Void!  All this talk but what have you built? What experience do you have? Again, I am not here to prove anything to anyone, just as you are not trying to prove anything to me. People share ideas for others to try in person. You are trying to control others and tell them what can be done and mocking people. Nameless Void, what have you accomplished all this time on this forum? What is your fruit? It seems you are the one blowing smoke. That is your fruit. Void words.

Lead acid batteries in good condition are generally taken to have a charge and discharge efficiency of roughly around 85%, but could be as low as 50% efficiency or possibly even lower depending on the exact Lead Acid battery type and the battery condition. However, if a claimed OU circuit setup has a COP of say >= 2, then you should be able to self-loop and completely do away with any battery at the input. You may be able to do that with an even lower COP. If the battery is claimed to be an essential part of the OU setup, then you should still be able to self-loop as long as you leave the circuit running in self-looped mode for a reasonable length of time in comparison to the battery capacity.

Overall very straightforward. Some people avoid such straightforward test setups for obvious reasons however. They prefer hand waving and rationalizations and excuses and incomplete and/or improper or at least questionable measurements and assumptions to try to help further their cause.

Second law of OU circuit testing:
If a person refuses to put in an effort to self-loop a circuit setup under test in a reasonable way, which they are claiming is OU, which should be quite straightforward and easy to do in most cases, then chances are very high they are just blowing smoke. 

Is that too honest?

[rickfriedrich]

First law of 'Void' presumption:
If you haven't made a self-looping argument for a reasonable length of time (depends total power consumption), then you are not in any sort of reasonable position to attempt to draw any definite conclusions about the circuit COP (i.e., the supposition of COP > 1).

Second law of 'Void' presumption:
If a person refuses to make self-loop arguments which should be quite straightforward and easy to do in most cases, then chances are very high they are just blowing smoke. 

Third Law of 'Void' presumption:
Ignore the above two laws at your own peril. Void presumption is folly.

For anyone who cares at all about reality, here is a recap of the essentials in OU circuit testing.
These laws were derived from many years of practical experience and have been proven many times over to be true and immutable laws.
First law of 'over unity' circuit testing:
If you haven't tested your circuit arrangement using a self-looping arrangement and left it to run for a reasonable length of time (depends on power source being used and total power consumption), then you are not in any sort of reasonable position to attempt to draw any definite conclusions about the circuit COP (i.e., the supposition of COP > 1).
Second law of 'over unity' circuit testing:
If a person refuses to put in an effort to self-loop a circuit setup under test in a reasonable way, which they are claiming is OU,
which should be quite straightforward and easy to do in most cases, then chances are very high they are just blowing smoke. 

Third Law of 'over unity' circuit testing:
Ignore the above two laws at your own peril. All else is folly.

[rickfriedrich]

Void,
You walked right into that last post. And did you say below that you "have an open mind" 

As for cold, we have had many experiences along these lines over the years. We have often cold boiled batteries where they measured with real meters colder than room temperature. This was experienced repeatedly over years at all times in the charging process when batteries started at room temperature. Obviously something you have to experience for yourself. This was with different charging rates as well. If the input of the charger was 30A to a golf-cart bank then the batteries should have been warmer than ambient. So this is actually very important. We have also sometimes seen freezing take place in rare cases with the motors. But that is another story. Welcome to negative energy engineering.

I for one would love to see a reasonable demonstration of 'cold electricity' or 'negative electricity'.
I can't say I have ever seen a demonstration of such concepts which looks reasonable to me, but I have an open mind. Nothing would be more cool (no pun intended) than to be able to power a load without depleting the power source and while the circuitry and load remains cold or gets colder or forms frost as the circuit operates, and I am not talking about a refrigeration type circuit.  ;-)

[rickfriedrich]

Well, my grandpa used to say we'll have to hang you upside down and pluck you like a chicken.

I beg to differ. I have listened to everyone's points and answered each one of them. How could I not be listening if I responded to everything. The problem is that you are not responding to anything I have written along these lines. Any several of you have said you don't read what I write so how do you know I am not agreeing with you even?

You are indeed wasting your time because you just repeat the same sort of thing without any actual reason. Like I said, you are Void presumption. All you can do is make circle arguments without any actual evidence or proof for your pontifications.

I'm not sure where you have been all these years when I have made more public demonstrations than anyone.

Even your new demand below also is not self-evident. Explain to us just why a person who has something unusual should be able to demonstrate it in a reasonable and clear and concise way? Especially in the context of doing that through the internet. And having something unusual doesn't mean that everyone will agree with what would be a reasonable, clear and concise demonstration. Remember your void presumption self-loop circle reasoning, self-defeating expectations would not even allow for a 30KW demonstration if it was powered by 30W and not closed-looped. Do you now finally get your mistake here? Do you really want me to keep going like this as it will only be more embarrassing for you.

You see, I did that video to prove this mistake and draw you all to this place here. I made provided just enough output load for people to rationally conclude at the meeting that it was OU. And I showed the video in a way with just enough loads that people who were open and believed that videos can prove OU would believe that. And people who didn't want to believe it would then say it was not enough of a demonstration. Others who saw that the loads were more than the input, but who just couldn't believe it for whatever reason, assumed it was faked with wires under the table. So now we can see all the responses since that picture and video was posted. We have seen people reluctantly somewhat agree that videos can prove nothing about OU or against OU. But now we see this almost tirade of Void presumption in saying that it doesn't matter how much output you have, as long as it is not self-looped it means nothing and cannot be OU. SAYS WHO???

So let me once more turn your own folly upon itself:
"If a person really has something true to say, they should be able to demonstrate it in a reasonable and clear and concise way." But with you there is only a Void!

Rick, Rick, Rick... What are we going to do with you amigo?
You refuse to listen to reason.
Let me try saying it in a different way, but I know I am probably wasting my time:
If a person really has something unusual, they should be able to demonstrate it in a reasonable
and clear and concise way.