inertial propulsion with gyroscope

[conradelektro]

Hi Conrad,
when saying this you imply that there is a transmission between the gyro and the precession.
But I don't see any such mechanism.

I learned that my understanding of the gyroscope and specially my understanding of a gyroscope on an arm which can or is turned around a central axis is very flawed. In fact I do not understand anything contrary to what I believed before I did some experiments. So, if you think you understand something try to demonstrate it by help of a contraption. Make a video of the experiment. I stopped to believe in words, only a demonstration of something with a gyroscope is worth discussing.

I try to do experiments, but simple contraptions are not enough. At the moment I believe that a stepper motor could shed light on the strange behaviour of a gyroscope by turning an arm which carries a gyroscope with variable speed (acceleration or deceleration). But this is not as simple as it sounds because the rate of acceleration or deceleration of the arm and the rotary speed of the gyroscope have both an influence. The relationship between acceleration (or deceleration) of the arm and the rotary speed of the gyroscope is not trivial, a contraption shows very different behaviour depending on both factors.

This post describes what I think at the moment http://overunity.com/17573/inertial-propulsion-with-gyroscope/msg520668/#msg520668 , but it will propably change when progressing with my work.

This experiment (not done by me) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldqUV-DXiUg shows the situation I am talking about. Now imagine the center of the arm is a stepper motor accelerating (or decelerating) the arm and in addition that the nodding of the arm (you my call it precession) is restricted. Very strange things happen if you look closely. The question is, in which direction wants the whole contraption to move? Apparently the contraption does not lose weight but it wants to move over the table (which one only sees if it can move and is not restricted by friction as in the video).

If this all sounds weird, it is because I know nothing. And I think that the experts also know nothing once the right questions are asked or the right contraptions are built.

Also watch Laurent's video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyqyX7jgjZU , it also shows what I am talking about.

Greetings, Conrad

[ramset]

Seems that even the more exotic Gyro experiments just leave more questions than answers.
Member Smudge has some musings and thoughts on a possible method to harvest Gain from a gyro and put it to work?
here
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=129.msg67612;topicseen#msg67612

he is also a member here.


respectfully
Chet K

[conradelektro]

Seems that even the more exotic Gyro experiments just leave more questions than answers.
Member Smudge has some musings and thoughts on a possible method to harvest Gain from a gyro and put it to work?
here
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=129.msg67612;topicseen#msg67612

There are hundreds if not thousands ideas concerning gyroscopes mainly in respect to "turning the rotary motions of a gyroscope into a linear motion". I read quite a lot of them and the new thing in the Fiala patent (which I did not find in all the other "inventions" I heard of) is that the rotary speed of the gyroscope matters. It is not that the gyroscope should spin as fast as possible, no, the gyroscope should have a certain speed below it's technically possible top speed. Fiala mentions that several times in his two patents.

This seems to be novel and is the reason why I experiment. Fiala says in his two patents that there is a relationship between the rotational speed of the arm and the rotational speed of the gyroscope.

Laurent also shows in his video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyqyX7jgjZU that the rotational speed of the gyroscope matters indeed.

If the rotational speed of a gyroscope matters (besides being as fast as possible) things become more complicated and might have been overlooked because the outcome of many experiments might be radically different depending on the rotational speed of the gyroscope. And it is very unlikely that experimenters used the right rotational speed by chance. My guess is that the gyroscope in many experiments span too fast because one would intuitively spin it as fast as technically possible expecting a greater "force" if the gyroscope spins faster. And this might be the crucial error which caused failure in many experiments. This might be the crucial fact which Fiala discovered.

Unfortunately the contraption which Fiala shows in his video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sy8znYK8EXg (start at minute 36:00) and which Laurent replicated is not totally conclusive, many questions are left open. It seems that at least two such contraptions turning synchronously would be necessary to learn more. And that is exactly what I am building.

I am not naive and I am aware that current science excludes a "space drive" built with gyroscopes. But I like to experiment and I like strange contraptions (and I like to play with stepper motors). So, whatever I tell you and will tell you, do your own experiments and be aware that I am not an expert, just an old man who fiddles with things beyond his understanding.

If you want to know what I found so far, read this post http://overunity.com/17573/inertial-propulsion-with-gyroscope/msg520668/#msg520668 . And watch Laurent's videos https://www.youtube.com/user/woopyjump/videos (the 16 most recent ones with "inertial propulsion" in the title).

Greetings, Conrad

[woopy]

Hi conrad

Your last posts are very interesting.

And yes the spinning speed of the gyro is very important. That's why i have implemented a speed regulator (pwm) on my motors.

And also do not forget to decrease the DEAD MASS (on the gyro side at a maximum). Each gramm is important.

I am now doing some very interesting test on the precession of  2 gyros mounted on the same vertical rotation shaft but free precessing 180 degre of each other. Plus other test with the pivot completely offset of the vertical rotation shaft.

Mind shaking, so fascinating.

Lot of fun.

Laurent

[woopy]

Hi Hanelore

Please can you explain to me the difference between a Nasa's pendulum test and my suspended wheel results in my video part 6 and 14 on the subject.

Thank's

Laurent