inertial propulsion with gyroscope

[conradelektro]

Have you ever used a sling?

@sm0ky2: I know it will sound arrogant, but this is not the place to give you an education in basic physics. I would have to write pages and pages to do that. You have to make the effort yourself, sorry.

I am not defending physics and I am not a teacher. I repeat trivial basic facts which you can find everywhere. Do not believe me, read up.

To say it in one sentence: if you want linear inertial propulsion you have to throw some mass away (like you do with your sling) or you have to push against something (in the surroundings).

The Fiala patent makes interesting claims and Laurent's experiments show that there is something worth while investigating. Gyroscopes a very difficult to understand and may be there are some unknown effects. But I do not believe, I try to experiment. To believe is something for church and does not help to impart inertial propulsion.

So, I do not want you to believe me, I want you to experiment. Show something, than we may have something to talk about. I believe you believe to much. I have never seen a miracle, but believers see miracles everywhere. Are there miracles? Yes, for the believer there are, and for the non-believer there are none.

Are you a believer? If yes, you live in a wonderful world. If not, life will be a little more difficult, but more interesting. And it is a lot of hard work to gain knowledge. You can not skip the hard work. Why do you think people have to study for years? Even a genius has to study for years, and may be you are just a little genius, which means very many years of study.

You have won every argument you care to win! I am the bad one, you are the good one! I know nothing, you have the divine knowledge!

Greetings, Conrad

[sm0ky2]

It is Newton's 3rd law actually
The force keeping the metal of the gyro
spinning in a circle, is it's tensile strength
otherwise spinning it up would inertially propel
its' pieces in linear (tangental) vectors.

[sm0ky2]

There's a thing called a 'vibrator motor'
Found inside cell phones and also found in
an ancient device, we used to call a 'pager'


It basically shakes your device using a small DC motor.


This is done is 2 basic way:
1) an imbalanced weight is placed on the shaft
This is the preferred method, since the inertia is
distributed fairly equally in all directions.
(maybe this is the scenario you are thinking of?)


2) a notch protrudes from a balanced weight
and 'clicks' on a part of the frame.
This transfers the inertia in a single direction.
Some of us remember a time when our cell phones
and pagers would vibrate themselves right off the table.
This was an inertial propulsion drive.


We don't need to " believe"  to use physics.

[sm0ky2]

We don't use the second type of vibrator anymore
except in industrial machinery, to offset
vibrational imbalances in heavy rotating parts.


It was phased out for two main reasons


1) we don't want our phones to propel themselves linearly


And


2) if you attach the motor to a variable resistor
to control the frequency,
it is basically Tesla's Earthquake machine

[DrJones]

 I enjoy the discussion.  Theory vs experiment.  Classic.[/size]


Conradelektro (theory): "To say it in one sentence: if you want linear inertial propulsion you have to throw some mass away (like you do with your sling) or you have to push against something (in the surroundings)."


I have certainly heard physics professors teach this...


But then we have the challenge - try the experiment!  That's how science progresses.


sm0ky2: (experiment): "The demo I was invited to was a NASA team, and the boat was a toy in a pond.  [/font]The rotating weight had an arm that was able to extend at a portion of its rotation, then retract shortly after.Allowing it to transfer centrifugal force in a linear direction.Like swirling a weight on a string, then jolting your arm forward as the string passed in front of you.Was a solid arm, not a string, but the analogy is valid."


A physicist might prefer not to speak of "transfer centrifugal force in a linear direction."


He might use other wording.  No matter.  I would like to see that experiment performed - and may do it myself, in warmer weather (below freezing here today).

And you can bet that NASA will never release a video/explanation of their recoil-less propulsion -- at least, not until a citizen does the experiment outside the government pavilion and "spills the beans."  (IF indeed the experiment works as claimed by sm0ky.)