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Stephen Fyfe Supercap circuit - COP = 2.5 ?

Started by hartiberlin, January 30, 2018, 03:40:10 PM

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#5
February 01, 2018, 04:27:18 PM
Quote from: hartiberlin on February 01, 2018, 04:06:04 PM
Well, also he stated in one video that  he can charge up his center 700 Farad cap from the series 4 x 100 Farad cap bank up to 3 Volts...
( one 100 Farad cap was broken, so he now used only 4 pieces in series in his S1 mini version)

He stated with 10 Volts on the 4x100 Farad stack ( so that is 10 Volts at 25 Farads)
he can charge up via the 12 LED diodes the 700 Farad cap to about 3 Volts.

So if we calculate the Joules energy via the Formula Wc= 0.5 x C x V^2 we get:

10 Volts @   25 Farad =  1250 Joule
3 Volts  @ 700 Farad = 3150 Joule.

So we have a COP of 2.52 , so big overunity, if he is right with his measurements...


Hi Stefan. It is most likely he is making a mistake somewhere, or he is stating something incorrectly.
Discharging a cap bank into another cap is not OU. Whether super caps are used or not should not make
any difference.

This guy would need to do a proper test where he shows the Farad markings on
all the super caps he is using and also shows the voltage measurements on all the super
caps just before starting the test run, and shows the voltage measurements on all the super caps
when he finishes his test run.

Also, to calculate the energy used on the supply super cap bank, you would need to know
both the cap bank start voltage and cap bank end voltage at the end of the test run.
The energy used would be the start energy minus the end energy on the cap bank.
We know discharging caps into other caps is not OU, so he is most likely making a mistake
somewhere if he is claiming it is OU. :) 

All the best...

conradelektro

#6
February 01, 2018, 05:10:11 PM
In this video https://youtu.be/KusjoRtz6Zk?list=PLO6FJVqlxatfTY0QlElqDZNK4yE4jU3z8 the "inventor" claims that the LEDs give light for a shorter time if the 700F cap is bridged with a wire or with a switch as in the circuit diagram (I am referring to the circuit diagram in the first post of this thread). And if the 700F is charged up, the LEDs give light much longer. And he concludes that this means OU.

Case 1: the 700F cap is not charged (bridged with a wire). The charge from the five 100F caps flows through the LEDs while the Voltage over the LEDs stays at 12V (only at the very end, when the five 100F cps become discharged, the 12V will drop rapidly).

Cass 2: the 700F is charge from 0V to 3V while the LEDs are giving light. While charging the 700F cap the Voltage over the LEDs drops from 12V to 9V (because the Voltage in 700F cap rises from 0V to 3V). So, the current through the LEds is diminishing and therefore the LEDs give light longer than in case 1. The light of the LEDs is also diminishing, but the naked eye does not see that.

There is no OU, just a diminishing current through the LEDs if the 700F cap is charged (case 2) and a constant current through the LEDs if the 700F cap is bridged (case 1). The difference in the overall energy dissipated in the LEDs (between case 1 and case 2) is the charge of the 700F cap (in case 2).

Greetings, Conrad

Void

#7
February 02, 2018, 12:02:45 PM
Quote from: hartiberlin on February 01, 2018, 04:06:04 PM
He stated with 10 Volts on the 4x100 Farad stack ( so that is 10 Volts at 25 Farads)
he can charge up via the 12 LED diodes the 700 Farad cap to about 3 Volts.

Hi Stefan. Further to this, as we know from countless such Youtube videos, what people state
in videos and what they can actually demonstrate with a proper test setup and proper
measurements are usually not the same at all. :) As I mentioned above, he needs to actually clearly
show measuring the super cap bank start voltage and the single 700F super cap start voltage and
their end voltages at the end of the test run. If the 700F really went up to 3V, then it seems most likely it
wasn't at all close to 0V when he started the test. It may have been at 2V or whatever when he started. Unless
he shows some proper measurements, his claims seem very unlikely at best. As we all know, caps or batteries of
any kind just don't magically charge up with a COP > 1 under any circumstances. There would have to be something
very unusual going on in his setup, but all he is doing is slowly discharging a super cap bank into
a 700F super cap through a load. It appears to be nothing unusual there at all.


All the best...

SkyWatcher123

#8
February 02, 2018, 11:23:05 PM
Hi all, was watching one of his videos and it appears he is doing something similar to the youtube channel called, 'debunkified'.
In Stephen Fyfe's latest video, with the smaller unit and 12 led panel, he is using a low voltage boost converter, connected to the large central super capacitor.
And the output of the boost converter, at whatever voltage it is set to, is connected to the series capacitors, recharging them.
So yes, very much like turions 3 battery setup, using boost converter to extend runtime.

Very similar i think, to this video by 'debunkified', which of course is a boost converter in his wooden box.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmsK65VU74Q

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