12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !

[johnny874]

Again, with the self pity and blaming others. I've been patient and you know it.

You evidently do not have better things to do, at least not when on OU websites. It's all about your obsession over Alan, and your self-pity. You have no idea how shitty the lives of some of the posters on here may be. They just don't drag it into what should be scientific discussions.
You're allowing emotions and weaknesses to take away from your inventing, and the respect this community can offer you.
I'm not especially a fan of Alan's grumpy old man's attitude myself, but actually liken that to your broken record drama queen act. Man up, and share the good stuff you've got to share.
You should look at Stephen Hawking. His work may be off sometimes, as is yours. But try and catch him on self-pity.

I like you more when you talk experimental science.

   Nah, I guess you don't like it when someone states a fact as fact. Things have been much worse for myself than what I've made known. And I have tried discussing the science behind the engineering. It seems that for some reason, I can go into greater detail.
It might be the years I spent studying math specifically for this type of behavior.
Unlike other sciences, the potential energy needs to be turned back on itself or it will be lost as entropy. I think this is one reason why the first builds I did many years ago was for the purpose of studying conservation of momentum. I tried discussing that in a  thread once, no one was interested. And no one seems to care that inertia will be equal to the acceleration caused by any over balance. Quite simply put, if inertia can not be negated without cost, then it will require an equal amount of work by the device to compensate for the inertial energy created by the over balance. That is the basic science and yet nobody seems to care those are the limits science puts on any attempt at mechanical overunity.
I think understanding these things allows me to know that what I have been pursuing has a high degree of probability of working. But then, it doesn't matter if only I can understand it.
Just like I have gone to school for basic and advanced blueprint reading, some CATI (computer aided 3 dimensional interactive design programming) as well as mechanical drawing and architecture in jumior high school. Plus my machining experience where I worked to tolerances of .0002" and did some cnc programming.
This on top of going to school for Propulsion Engineering and working in an engineroom and working as a millwright over hauling and repairing steam turbines and generators up to 1500 kw. Needless to say, I have a well rounded background.
This could be why I can see things in Bessler's drawings others have missed. I am used to applying and working with engineering in more than one way. Have even worked on cars since I was a kid. I guess what some critics miss is that between schooling and experience, maintaining a willingness to learn something new helps with Bessler and OU in general.
I have learned a lot by studying Bessler's works. And the scientific explanation for WHY what I am building and do call Bessler's Working or Water Wheel is because the potential kinetic of one mass will be transferred to another physical body which will be realized by it developing and maintaining angular momentum. As such, the initial mass will not have inertia. It would be factored force = mass * 0 where 0 is no acceleration due to gravity.
Quite simple if a person takes a moment to think about it. Because what happens is while the wheel has force = mass * 0 where 0 equals the balance of the wheel. a (potential to accelerate is thesame on both sides) cancels out a. This allows a from the initial mass to be transferred.
Got it ?


edited to add; Cloxxki, does Mr. Hawkings have to tolerate personal attacks while trying to discuss anything ? If not, then why should I be forced to endure it ? I see no reason yet Alan has always harassed me. But it is like when i asked a local repair shop to adjust my parking brake today. They told me the cable had broken. If it was, they would have seen it hanging free underneath the car. They didn't tell me they saw this. I will fix it myself.
And this is why when I get around to it, I will build what I have been working on. But I can say that when other people can not keep up with the material, then attacking can be considered a defensive postion. I have been told before in this forum that what ever Alan does is okay because OU is not possible. I think that is what most people secretly believe.
Even rlortie told me in besslerwheel.com that it has been 300 yearssince Bessler built his wheels so why try. And yet he financially helps to support that forum but does not support the idea of actaully building something.
The reality is, this thread is not far off of what I have been trying to discuss. It uses many of the same principles but in a wheel type format. Doesn't matter though if you can't understand how the motion of the weight changes it's potential, does it ?

  Cloxxki, I know you guys don't care but i have missed 1 year of work in the last 3 years. And have worked in quite a bit of pain the last 2 years to keep my job. the 1st surgery came with unexpected complications which i am still dealing with. Why I am off work today, again. I think that in itself is more than enough for me to tolerate. Working on bessler's wheel has been mostly a coping mechanism to keep my mind off of my situation.
               
                                                              Best Wishes
                                                                    Jim

[johnny874]

You should look at Stephen Hawking. His work may be off sometimes, as is yours. But try and catch him on self-pity.

  Cloxxki,
Both my sister and my niece have died from their disabilities. Nobody knows who they are.
Life isn't fair. as for myself, hope one day people will let me have a girlfriend. Without Bessler's wheel, doubt it will happen. Why ? Because I am retarded !
In reality, I am not. But with my hearing loss, that is people's perception of me.
Ever go through 4 surgeries in 3 years by yourself ? treatment for cncer by yourself ?
If not, what can I say. everybody is so tolerant of me because of the good life I have.
If not for my American mother, my dad could have taken his coworkers up on their generous offers to buy him a one way ticket back to Norway. Americans can be generous when they want to be.
But really, I do know what having a social life is like. Had one before I lost a significant part of my hearing. So unfortunately, I do know the difference. That is why I have had time to study math for a few years. One day, I might build again the model I used to study trigonometry. It's 3D with 3 sub sets. I used the mathematical model. I made the physical model just to see what it looked liked. Makes 2D much easier.
To make a long story short, even if I am successful with Bessler's wheel, it will not be worth what I have lost. I try not to think about that part of it but it is always there. And Alan is a constant reminder of it. After all, he does have his family and yet he is unhappy. I have met many people like him.
And what do I find funny ? When people find out I'm smart. Of course, if I were really smart, I would have that good life where I could be with my family rather than doing something like this. After all, do believe I will be successful. And I think this is why Bessler called his wheel Orphyreus. After the Lyre of Orpheus. Everybody knows about that. And me ? I would be Orpheus making Hermes (Bessler's) invention sing to show off for a woman I like   
and if I didn't think things sucked sometimes, I wouldn't be human, would I ?

[gdez]

@ Johnny'
I respect your ideas and situation, but in the little time I have to read, let alone respond to anything here, I don't really want to read about all your problems. I have my own, but  This is not the place for me to talk about them. I don't even know Alan or whoever, I just come here to learn. I don't go onto bessler threads ranting. You do not seem to have anything better to do, Because you have many other threads you comment on, or maybe your just kickass at typing. Whatever. My advice is to spend more time building and observing, it's the only way you will truly learn, since you already know all the angles of the engineering involved. Just lighten up and stop feeling like a victim. It doesn't have to be that way.
Good luck , Greg

[johnny874]

@ Johnny'
I respect your ideas and situation, but in the little time I have to read, let alone respond to anything here, I don't really want to read about all your problems. I have my own, but  This is not the place for me to talk about them. I don't even know Alan or whoever, I just come here to learn. I don't go onto bessler threads ranting. You do not seem to have anything better to do, Because you have many other threads you comment on, or maybe your just kickass at typing. Whatever. My advice is to spend more time building and observing, it's the only way you will truly learn, since you already know all the angles of the engineering involved. Just lighten up and stop feeling like a victim. It doesn't have to be that way.
Good luck , Greg

gdez,
If I wanted to hear a sermon, I would go to church.
In the few years I have worked on Bessler and built, Alan has harassed me.He has built nothing but gets much respect for saying I am effed up. Even my having cancer did not stop him or prevent anyone from supporting him so bite me.
As for learning, I probably know much more than you..

And show me where I was given a break for building while being treated for cancer. Please do that before you complain about me. I think Alan did more posting in that thread than anyone. And me ? I had about 1 hour a day if that when I could do somethng. Cancer treatment isn't easy ya know. Maybe if you learned some about people first, you wouldn't jump to conclusions. And I do think it wrong for people to make assumptions about me and then for people like you to try to justify them. But you guys do like Alan. He doesn't build, doesn't actually discuss anything. Makes it nice and easy for you guys.
He is your kind. Au revoir, do sveedania 
And here's the thread and do read it. Follow your own advice. Learn something. As for me, you can ask Alan to show his work.
http://www.overunity.com/6900/my-current-build/

edited to add; gdez, what shows the truth about yourself is what you posted. You ignored everything I mentioned about engineering and science that supports it. With Cloxxki, he did say he prefers it when I discuss science.
@Cloxxki, the math for what I am building is as follows; f = 1ma / 8m*(a - a) = x
the a -a shows the wheel has no opportunity to accelerate. The 1 ma shows 1 mass has the potential and if divided by 8, then the potential of the 8 weights to accelerate are known.   
                                           

[gdez]

Hey Johnny,
I have lost well over two dozen family members to cancer in the last ten years and my mom and younger brother are both presently dealing with cancer. Also I participate at 2 to 3 cancer related charities a year, or more. SO ... stop bringing that shit here. This is my hobby that i come to to get away from all that. Stop with the sad stories, I've alrerady heard them all.