12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !

[Fingal]

Well, it is not my position that is expressed on that website. If it was I would probably not be interested in visiting Overunity!

I scanned the forum once again and found that this exact method already has been proposed
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1763.msg18947.html#msg18947.

(very good description). Sorry for not seeing that earlier.

I think the only relevance of the measurement is to test the original claim ( 12 times more output than input, and I think we agree he means energy), when for example do a simple task of pumping (lifting) water.

If however the OU is very small or would not manifest itself as output from the lever, I agree the test would not be valid to do. So one could argue that the the test is only valid of it shows OU of great magnitude!

Also the test may not be relevant for your ongoing discussion. I didn't mean to interfere or interrupt you actions!

Last, why does the author of the website do these rather complicated calculations  instead of just building it and do the test. Of course, he doesn't believe it is OU, in the first place!

Myself, I am just a bit lazy and enjoy surfing the web for interesting ideas.

regards.
Fingal

[Dingus Mungus]

I don't believe this is 1200% efficient. Its just not... I don't even claim this mechanical device is even overunity at all, but I do believe this device violates the laws of thermodynamics. Excess energy is being created by the lever and is transfered to the pendulum. When the device comes to a rest the lever reassumes its starting position. Therefore no additional energy is given to either the pendulum or lever to achieve this potential to kinetic transfer. I'm sorry for assuming you were nay saying, but many people have come and posted things claiming it proves this system doesn't work, but no one has posted anything substantial thus far. Overunity is a long ways off for this device, I just want to understand the energy transfer that allows the pendulum to collect excess energy from the lever.

~Dingus

p.s. Get a copy WM2D!

[Charlie_V]

Hey guys, I found this form while wasting some time and I like it.  Its fun to imagine ideas and have people to talk to about them without being laughed at. 

I looked at the video and I found it very interesting.  I don't think this device is over-unity, but it appears to be a very clever use of harmonic coupling and leverage (of sorts).  The pendulum is shifting the beam 's center of mass in and out of the central axial.  You'll notice the pendulum traverses a large distance (compared to the beam).  The beam takes that large distance and converts the kinetic energy to force.  You'll notice the beam only moves about an inch or so but has great force behind it.  So the energy is roughly the same (neglecting losses) but in a different form.  The pendulum has a small force, but large distance to travel (comparatively of course), the beam has a small travel distance but large force. 

The harmonic coupling of the two objects is interesting too.  You'll notice in the intro of the video (where the Serbian guy is demonstrating with a toy), that he sets the toy up in his pendulum/beam configuration and says that the load has no effect.  However, you'll also notice he has to re-adjust the configuration because the pendulum was slowing down fast.  This just shows that the pendulum is coupled to the beam.  If you could put a force on the beam at the right time you could cause the pendulum to stop moving.  By re-adjusting where the pendulum sits, you can reduce the coupling (making the vibration of the beam not effect the pendulum as much) but you will restrict the distance the beam can travel.  All in all, this seems to me to be a very efficient way of gearing without the worry of slips or tears! 

Personally, I feel an over-unity device is going to come from something that stores energy yet does not give that energy when used - like a magnet does when you induce a voltage.  The magnet has stored energy yet the field does not decrease when you induce a current in a coil.... I've always found this phenomenon very very interesting. 

[FreeEnergy]

not much of a new approach but the results look good.

[exnihiloest]

Hi All,

I have modeled Milkovic pendulum using WM2D.

All the stuff is here:
- model
http://exvacuo.free.fr/Sciences/Experiences/Pendule/PenduleMilkovic.wm2d
- picture
http://exvacuo.free.fr/Sciences/Experiences/Pendule/PenduleMilkovic.jpg
- low motion video simulation
http://exvacuo.free.fr/Sciences/Experiences/Pendule/PenduleMilkovic.avi

In this model, the pendulum is used to pull up a weight (pay load), attached to the lever with a string. Thus the potential energy of the pay load will give us the energy gain.

Each time the pay load climbs, a platform is positionned upper and upper in order to prevent the load to fall back. The platform is playing no role in the energy balance.

The energy (kinetic+potential) of the pendulum and of the lever is monitored and the potential energy of the pay load is substracted from it to give the total energy gain.

It is fund that the energy gain is null. It is even a bit negative because I neglected the very weak kinetic energy of the pay load.

The weight of the lever can be 0 (actual simulation) or any value, it doesn't change the null result.

As Milkovic doesn't claim new physics to explain its machine and as its machine modeled according the current physics laws doesn't work, we can conclude there is no OU in Milkovic pendulum. It is just a usefull device to transform a form of work into another.

Fran?ois