12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !

[Mr XYZ]

p.s. the guy who made that statement about Mr. Rick R. Dobson also testified that another guy known to Mr Dobson had actually privately built a similar model that was able to lift "three times its own weight" but became very noisy and unstable at high revs! ... not much more is known.

Now, on this  ''solid mass centrifugal propulsion system" as presented in that video, this one is obviously geared for mechanical engineers to understand and thus build, but the actual mechanisms for doing so are very difficult and cumbersome to the average hobbyist, even for a good machinist it would be quite a challenge! However, the video graphics themselves are the best and clearest I have seen anywhere as far as presenting and illustrating the principles goes, especially at certain points...
So, the whole thing can be simplified down to a minimum of 4 UNbalanced wheels = 2 pairs! (and especially for those not wanting the power of a lifting machine, but merely a propulsion device, such as a simple vehicle) Besides this aspect, it is easier to visualize and understand, if not to actually reproduce. Yes, you are right in that the centrifugal force from all PAIRS of wheels will tend to be in one direction, depending on the degree of balancing of course, and thus the propulsion.

On your other point of ''electromagnetic King David Sling mechanism" , can you clarify exactly what this is? Has it been actually implemented somewhere? Can you give some links or examples?

I still have not understood the solid mass centrifugal propulsion system yet.

Can someone help?

From my limited understanding, the device uses centrifugal force from 40 wheels.  Each wheel will have the unbalanced mass at the top in the rotation.  The Centrifugal force from all the 40 wheels are upwards.  One wheel may not provide enough centrifugal force to lift the vessel but 40...

This is not as powerful as the electromagnetic King David Sling mechanism...  But it clearly illustrates the power of the unbalanced wheel.  ISA already has an operational prototype from their description.

Lawrence
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[ltseung888]

p.s. the guy who made that statement about Mr. Rick R. Dobson also testified that another guy known to Mr Dobson had actually privately built a similar model that was able to lift "three times its own weight" but became very noisy and unstable at high revs! ... not much more is known.

Now, on this  ''solid mass centrifugal propulsion system" as presented in that video, this one is obviously geared for mechanical engineers to understand and thus build, but the actual mechanisms for doing so are very difficult and cumbersome to the average hobbyist, even for a good machinist it would be quite a challenge! However, the video graphics themselves are the best and clearest I have seen anywhere as far as presenting and illustrating the principles goes, especially at certain points...
So, the whole thing can be simplified down to a minimum of 4 UNbalanced wheels = 2 pairs! (and especially for those not wanting the power of a lifting machine, but merely a propulsion device, such as a simple vehicle) Besides this aspect, it is easier to visualize and understand, if not to actually reproduce. Yes, you are right in that the centrifugal force from all PAIRS of wheels will tend to be in one direction, depending on the degree of balancing of course, and thus the propulsion.

On your other point of ''electromagnetic King David Sling mechanism" , can you clarify exactly what this is? Has it been actually implemented somewhere? Can you give some links or examples?

http://overunity.com/1763/12-times-more-output-than-input-dual-mechanical-oscillation-system/msg449571/#msg449571

In that diagram, the key points are:

1. The unbalanced weight is a magnet.
2. That magnet can gain energy via an electromagnetic pulsing mechanism similar to many pulse motors.
3  In addition, the magnet can be kept away from the circumference with another attractive electromagnet.
4. When the attractive magnetic force is stopped, the magnet will tend to fly away in the tangential direction (the King David Sling mechanism).
5.  With a properly designed impact mechanism, the fly away force can provide the linear thrust.
6.  The magnet can be attracted back.  The King David Sling mechanism can be repeated many thousand times per minute.

The centrifugal force is m1v*v/R.  The force due to the weight of the vessel is m2g.  Many wheels can be inside a cylinder.  For balancing the torque similar to the helicopter, two counter rotating wheels or cylinders can be used.

This is the basic mechanism.  However, the electromagnetic attraction force can be many times that of gravity...

*** My guess is that the Flying Saucer seen in Nanjing used this or similar mechanism.  This King David Sling mechanism was known to Tsinghua University decades ago.  I am sure that Tsinghua University already combined their QMOGEN technology with this King David Sling Technology.  The Military Establishments are expected to be well advanced.

Lawrence
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[ltseung888]

This is the most important statement.

The 40 disks are manipulated so that the net Centrifugal force is more or less constant and always upwards.

The actual engineering is difficult to replicate with the limited information.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_yMdmavq_U

[ltseung888]

History of the solid mass centrifugal propulsion system.

Concept in 1982.
Operational prototype 2 in 2013.  There is a time period of 31 years.  For 27 years, it was funded as a secret project.

Declassified in Jan 2013.  Is the operational prototype 2 available for demonstration?

Is it possible that the information was declassified and then the working prototype came out?

Is 40 x m1v*v/R greater than m2g theoretically possible?

m1 is the unbalanced mass
R is the radius
v is the velocity
m2 is the mass of the vessel
g is gravitational acceleration

The engineer can change m1, R or v.  He can also increase the number of disks. If this is theoretically possible and implemented, the King David Sling technology is simpler and implementable???

It is also clear that the resources of a retiree will not be sufficient to develop a working lead-out energy flying saucer prototype.  The most likely source of funding is the Military. 

"The International Space Agency Solid Mass Centrifugal Propulsion System is revolutionary in that reaction mass is not depleted as the propulsion system generates thrust, and is a historic first in Propulsion Technology. This revolutionary propulsion system can produce constant thrust as long as power is provided to the electric motors of the system."

Have I graduated from kindergarten of this technology?

Lawrence
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[ltseung888]

After looking at the ISA solid mass centrifugal propulsion design for awhile, it occurred to me that we may have another way to generate lift.

We can take away the impact mechanism and replace it with an energy take-out mechanism.  This is easy with moving magnets.  The velocity at the top can be much higher than the velocity at the bottom.

See the attached diagram.

Lawrence
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