12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !

[FreeEnergy]

G'day Eddy,

There are a number of ways to keep the pendulum in the "sweet spot". The old time honoured method is of course the pendulum clock escapement. The other way is to use a 555 timer and an electromagnet. Since the resonant frequency is a result of the length of the pendulum alone, and since this frequency is incredibly stable, the timer can be set to deliver a push at the optimum time. You can also set the duty cycle of the timer and therewith set the amount of force you add into the system.

If you need more information on this please ask.

Btw. Good job and a lot of imagination on your prototype. Keep it up, you have talent.

Hans von Lieven

so what are you saying? over unity is possible with this system?

[Eddy Currentz]

G'day Eddy,

There are a number of ways to keep the pendulum in the "sweet spot". The old time honoured method is of course the pendulum clock escapement. The other way is to use a 555 timer and an electromagnet. Since the resonant frequency is a result of the length of the pendulum alone, and since this frequency is incredibly stable, the timer can be set to deliver a push at the optimum time. You can also set the duty cycle of the timer and therewith set the amount of force you add into the system.

If you need more information on this please ask.

Btw. Good job and a lot of imagination on your prototype. Keep it up, you have talent.

Hans von Lieven

Thanks for the encouragement Hans, I appreciate it.
I thought of also using a solenoid with a microswitch for the pendulum, but I'm sort of committed to full rotation at this point.
The mechanical pulses are much smoother and easier to handle. The key is to not take too much energy out of the system, or it becomes very inefficient. It's a trade off where the more travel you have, the easier the energy is retrieved. However, the more travel you have, the more energy gets bled off your angular momentum. The shorter the stroke, the more energy that is retained as rotational inertia. It seems to me to be an exponential relationship.
This presents difficulties in converting these short, powerful strokes into useful energy, especially electrical energy. Without well engineered and precision parts, a lot of energy is lost. This is nothing that can't be solved, it just adds to the puzzle.
I bought a little hand operated bilge pump that I'll rig up to see how much water I can lift. I can at least get a rough idea of how much work can be done on the output compared to the input.
Rotational physics are very interesting. What Chas Campbell has done with his flywheels, and what ltseung has talked about, lead me to believe there is energy available for the taking. There is a mysterious part (to me anyway) about the distribution of power in offset axis. It has to do with the effect a rotating mass has on the aether, with respect to it's axis. I've heard it mentioned a few times, but never explained well. It's just one of many foggy areas spread throughout my understanding of energy.
An excellent video to watch, which briefly mentions this concept, is by Jim Murray called the Gravity Tap Project. I wish I could grill Murray for a couple of hours about this stuff. That guy knows a lot.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6761827664845630969&hl=en

[hansvonlieven]

@ Free Energy,

No, at this stage I would not go as far as this. By the same token I have not completely discarded the idea either.

The main problem with the device is its erratic behaviour. If the energy that causes this can be channelled in the desired direction perhaps it is possible to extract more energy from the system than we put in.

What we are dealing with is essentially a double pendulum. They behave in a strange way and become more and more chaotic as time goes by or as energy input increases. It is impossible to mathematically predict the behaviour of such an arrangement over any length of time.

The only way to control it at the moment is to severely dampen the reaction with counterweights, springs and so forth, which eat up energy at a furious pace. If that energy can be channelled it might become a different story.

Below is a simulation of a double pendulum. This animated GIF was taken from a physics site and is authoritative. It is easy to rig this up and observe the phenomenon yourself. Just add a balance arm beyond the fulcrum and add a dampening weight and you have the Milkovic device.

Hans von Lieven

[CHANGE Australia]

Why hasnt the loop been closed? 

If the basic premise is correct, and if, say, input is 1 stroke, output is 10 strokes, how come 1 of the extra 10 strokes hasnt been utilised to close the loop?

If I had built one of these, and it truly gave the first step to 'overunity', I'd immediately move to close the loop with the many relatively simple methods available. Why this isnt being done is anyones guess.

God help us.

[hansvonlieven]

G'day change,

I think you are misunderstanding the system. If you have a close look at my animation on the previous page you will see there are two complete strokes (up and down) for every complete cycle of the pendulum (forward and return).

Where the alleged overunity comes in is in the power exerted on those up and down strokes compared with the power required to keep the pendulum moving.

I have not found usable overunity that could be harnessed to perpetuate the motion not to mention being able to extract work.

In spite of its simplicity of construction we are dealing here with quite a complex system as far as the different forces generated and their interactions are concerned.

The jury is still out on this one but even if someone manages to build a self runner using this system, don't expect it to revolutionise power generation.

Hans von Lieven