12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !

[utilitarian]

I was looking at a variation of this mechanical oscillator with wm2d to see what the factor of rotational energy of the pendulum was to that of the heavy lever arm and it does seem peak at 15x.

That isn't the most significant thing I noticed.  A mere 2645 pound heavy lever peaks at a surplus of 365 kWh in a little over 4.5 seconds.  It's not a constant energy but it sure is extreme.

Bessler007

Are you sure you are not just observing an illusion similar to chaotic pendulums?  For example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foZHjI8Lydo

[Bessler007]

Hello utilitarian,

No.  This concept is the most significant application of gravity power I've ever seen.  Anyone interested in free energy should attempt to get their minds around this.

There are some interesting ideas about this mechanical amplifier.

It answers a question I was asked years ago.  I wish he were here to see the answer.  We could ride his suicide shift Indians with helmets equipped with an rf link and cruise the back roads talking about it.  Hell has no angels.

This is a significant idea on two levels.

I plan on elaborating in my blog.




Bessler007

[utilitarian]

Hello utilitarian,

No.  This concept is the most significant application of gravity power I've ever seen.  Anyone interested in free energy should attempt to get their minds around this.

There are some interesting ideas about this mechanical amplifier.

It answers a question I was asked years ago.  I wish he were here to see the answer.  We could ride his suicide shift Indians with helmets equipped with an rf link and cruise the back roads talking about it.  Hell has no angels.

This is a significant idea on two levels.

I plan on elaborating in my blog.

Bessler007

But if there is excess energy being generated, why does the device stop over time and not go on forever?

I do not see how the Milkovic device is meaningfully different from a chaos pendulum.  Google "chaos pendulum" on youtube and you will see many more examples.

I am not sure exactly how you derive your graph, but is it possible you assign too much energy to the falling weight because you do not account for the counterweight?  I mean, you cannot simply take the mass of the hammer and calculate the energy based on that, because it is not free-falling.  It is partially balanced on the other side, so it is only able to impart a fraction of it's mass in kinetic energy.  Pardon if I have not used the correct terminology, but you get what I am saying I hope.

[Bessler007]

utilitarian,

I have to admit I've let results of wm2d get the best of me before. 

The blue line on the graph is the kinetic energy of the massive lever.  The red line is what is left of that energy (instant by instant) after the expense of the pendulum is paid for.  The simulation calculated 2000 times/second.

The area under the red curve represents the excess energy of the system.  You can see the energy alternates above and below a zero reference.  What that means is an equal amount of energy above zero is needed to offset that below to arrive at the accurate amount of surplus energy.

As of yet I don't see why the excess energy can't drive the double pendulum.

This double pendulum operates within a constrained range; the motion isn't chaotically running where ever it will.  That's a key difference.

There are other differences.

This is a very significant device.  It's been termed "the invention of a simple machine".  That's not true; Milkovic didn't invent the double pendulum.  However he did notice a fascinating quality they exhibit.  He deserves credit for that.  He found a needle in the haystack.



Bessler007

[neptune]

I read an article a few weeks ago on the Milkovitch device, that does not seemed to have been mentioned here. The article was on Free Energy News from Wikipedia. The gist of said article was that the most efficient time to feed energy to the pendulum, was at the end of its stroke, when the bob is weightless. This was done by moving the pendulums pivot horizontally. But I dont remember in which direction, although it was in the same plane that the pendulum swings. You could easily test this with a weight on a string. this could be the key to the whole problem.