12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !

[Merg]

G'day Merg'

If Milkovic's design had anywhere near the surplus energy he claims bearings would be the least of your worry. Milkovic cheats and his so called "Expert" evaluations are a lot of crap. The device loses energy instead of gaining any. His theories are rubbish.

Hans von Lieven

So, what is the main problem why this pendulum-lever system doesn't work?
We saw it worked and at least it alleviated pumping of water like in the pendulum pump example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvst47E5CvM

[Nabo00o]

Yeah, I mainly agree with you steiner, although I don't think we need anything better than ball bearings, the main losses lies in how much we allow the pivot of the pendulum to move, and if we are dealing with large masses, and big inputs and outputs then I think friction in the bearings are mostly negligible.

And hansvonlieven, I don't think so much about how milcovic? claimed that the device worked, neither on that fancy presentation with techno beats

What matters to me is not the theory or thought explanation of phenomena, but rather the actual practical workings of the device and its reaction to load versus no load.

This machine clearly does the opposite to other mechanical machines and simple machines, when used with and without a load.
Milcovic showed that in his videos, and if you think about it logically (I hope I did), the reversal of its reaction to the driving force allows you to collect a much larger amount of energy than in the "normal" situation. Let me just say that this isn't limited to a pendlum.
Have you ever wondered why the wood on an acoustic guitar can amplify the vibration of the strings something like a hundred times (probably much more!)? Because it is really the exact same principle!  The string is vibrating from an almost fixed point. That point vibrates slightly, causing the wood on the guitar to move, and thereby generating a much louder sound than what the string could, and it wont ring for a shorter duration either. The energy output from any acoustical amplifier is much larger than what the driving input was. It only needs to resonate a vibrator, and allow that vibrator to expand some of that energy to its restrictor (bad words I know, but they work).

This pendulum here is almost the same as an acoustical amplifier, we only slowed the frequency down from something like 400 hz to 0.5 hz or more. I tested this on a trumpet end, by placing a headphone speaker in the input side. The audio level increased with something like 10 to 20 times, I'm not kidding! And I seriously doubt that it drew any more current while doing it ; )


And you now what I think? Maybe this isn't only limited to mechanical motions, maybe it is one of the fundamental principles that allows nature spend all the energy it needs to make what we have today a reality?
And as far as I am concerned, the thermodynamic laws don't fit very well with how both the universe and our nature with all its life has turned out, it isn't very conservative in my eyes... (you can interpret that both ways XD)

[el-tigre]

Gentlemen,

I have read most of this thread and the Milkovic web site,and I have not seen the possible solution I am about to suggest, so please forgive me if it has been tried before.

It seems that the output side of the device is aptly suited to capturing air pressure with a simple piston pump and reed valve arrangement and storing it in a conventional pressure tank, or hydraulic pressure with a hydraulic accumulator storage system.  The resultant captured energy is easily used to actuate a cylinder to drive the pendulum.

The timing system is a simple trip valve activated by the pendulum itself.  In this configuration, the pendulum drive and timing system is totally independant of the output side pressure generation and capture system. Pendulum impulse timing and duration is easily adjusted in micorscopic increments by simple movements of valve actuator stop settings.  This is a completely mechanical system that captures output energy and stores it for use on the pendulum side. Excess energy, if any is generated in this system, is easily measured with a simple pressure gauge. (If the gauge indicator increases over time, you have OU if not then we seek other solutions and use this device as an efficient pump transmission or trip hammer etc.)

I suggest that this arrangement would eliminate any arguments that battery driven pendulum drivers add external energy to the system.

Please let me know if this solution has been tried by anyone.

thanks.

p.s. to all the naysayers, do not be too hasty dismissing the experimental researchers, it is entirely possible to convert potential energy through kinetic energy and into usable work with nothing more than gravity, harmonic resonance and 2 valves. Here is how I did it, explained in detail for anyone to build and use themselves...

http://www.instructables.com/id/Worlds_greenest_water_pump

The Milkovic solution may be another viable  method of gravity potential energy conversion if a novel combination of mechanical parts can be found.  Keep on experimenting, it's the only way real human progress is achieved.

[Nabo00o]

Gentlemen,

I have read most of this thread and the Milkovic web site,and I have not seen the possible solution I am about to suggest, so please forgive me if it has been tried before.

It seems that the output side of the device is aptly suited to capturing air pressure with a simple piston pump and reed valve arrangement and storing it in a conventional pressure tank, or hydraulic pressure with a hydraulic accumulator storage system.  The resultant captured energy is easily used to actuate a cylinder to drive the pendulum.

The timing system is a simple trip valve activated by the pendulum itself.  In this configuration, the pendulum drive and timing system is totally independant of the output side pressure generation and capture system. Pendulum impulse timing and duration is easily adjusted in micorscopic increments by simple movements of valve actuator stop settings.  This is a completely mechanical system that captures output energy and stores it for use on the pendulum side. Excess energy, if any is generated in this system, is easily measured with a simple pressure gauge. (If the gauge indicator increases over time, you have OU if not then we seek other solutions and use this device as an efficient pump transmission or trip hammer etc.)

I suggest that this arrangement would eliminate any arguments that battery driven pendulum drivers add external energy to the system.

Please let me know if this solution has been tried by anyone.

thanks.

p.s. to all the naysayers, do not be too hasty dismissing the experimental researchers, it is entirely possible to convert potential energy through kinetic energy and into usable work with nothing more than gravity, harmonic resonance and 2 valves. Here is how I did it, explained in detail for anyone to build and use themselves...

http://www.instructables.com/id/Worlds_greenest_water_pump

The Milkovic solution may be another viable  method of gravity potential energy conversion if a novel combination of mechanical parts can be found.  Keep on experimenting, it's the only way real human progress is achieved.

For all of you who believe in god, a great ray of light just shined in my mind....  

El-tigre, THANK YOU!

First of all, I completely agree with you that a pneumatic/hydraulic trigger and storage system is what this machine is best suited for.
You could easily regulate the pressure in the tank by moving the piston closer or further away from the center axis of the hinge.
The pendulum idea I have also thought about before, but then I didn't have the skill to complete such a system.
Also, it is possible to use a spring instead of a pendulum in this system, then the driving pressure could just push a piston up while another strong spring dragged it back, very easy setup.

Second, that video just hit me, really hard! I mean, you got it working there, going by itself and all....
The principle is so easy, at least the construction. I know I could have needed this, and for fun I could make a everlasting fountain : D
I don't know what else to say, for now. But I will be building your setup really soon!

Thank You, and also welcome to overunity!

Btw, I listened to this music while I looked at your machine, perfect  : )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6hGc7S8d88&feature=related

[el-tigre]

Naboo00, thanks for the thumbs up on my water pump. 

I'm pleased you think the design is easy to build, it is, - now that I have tinkered with it for over a year and pounded all the weak spots out of it by brute force experimentation.

I hope you enjoy the energy free water as much as we do.  I hooked it up again just 2 days ago now that the weather is warm enough and it looks like we are going to need it. No rain in our area for over 3 weeks and the ground is bone dry. Sad for April spring weather. I guess global warming is starting to bite us now for real.