12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !

[hansvonlieven]

OK Ron,

Here is the suggested comparison test. The diagram is self explanatory. The small motor provides the oscillations. Since the system is in balance the input energy is very small. Compare that to the load cell measurements and you will see what I mean.

Prove me wrong, I hope you do. I am not averse to eating crow if it advances our understanding of science.

Hans von Lieven

[hansvonlieven]

According to their explanation of the phenomena, yes. But if you want to apply the conservation of energy theory to a simple tuning fork experiment, first with a sound box, then without one, you will at least have to change some numbers around to make the results sound more "compatible" with current theory.
Its never easy to go against the tide, whether it is the "scientific" establishment or if it is the current religious beliefs at the moment.
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Hah, you're a Muslim and believe in falsehood, I'm a Christian and know you are wrong and will burn in hell!
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Dogmas can be a pain in the ass.....

I am talking about MEASUREMENTS, not beliefs!

Hans von Lieven

[i_ron]

If you were to mount two equal weights equidistant on a balance beam and mounted a load cell on either side in the same fashion it would take only a minute amount of energy to move the balance beam but you would get the same results.

Hans von Lieven

Hans,

But if you applied an engine to one side and drove the beam at the same speed and amplitude ... measured the input you would find the work done would be the same as I am showing
in the experiment. Of course it is sinusoidal, do you think the counter weight moves like a square wave?

Ron

[hansvonlieven]

No, of course not. I have never seen a true square wave in nature, in fact I doubt it can be created. Abrupt reversal of flows in my view cannot exist.

But that is not the point, I simply maintain that any surplus energy that shows up is an error in measurement as far as this device is concerned.

But please don't let me discourage you, you are a good researcher and builder and I have always had a high opinion of your abilities ever since I saw the first mechanised pendulum of yours published on Milkovic's site.

Hans von Lieven

[i_ron]

But that is not the point, I simply maintain that any surplus energy that shows up is an error in measurement as far as this device is concerned.

But please don't let me discourage you, you are a good researcher and builder and I have always had a high opinion of your abilities ever since I saw the first mechanised pendulum of yours published on Milkovic's site.

Hans von Lieven

Thank you for the 'sort of' compliment. I am not the least discouraged by you or the other nay sayers on the list. What does slow me down is the cost of " I really need this" parts
and the limited number of hours in a day.

Working with Veljko and crew has been a reward that more than compensates any inconvenience I may suffered along the way. It has been a joy and a positive delight. This is what I want to share with the group. The positive aspect of building,
learning, and the camaraderie of working with great people.

Ron