12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !

[johnny874]

@Johnny874 . please show a link [ or a reply number if its in this thread ] to the solution that everyone overlooked .
@Cloxxki . Forget about Mr Arm and Mr Hand . Look at the youtube chanel of Rhead100 . He shows a 2so powered by a falling weight . The load is a heavier weight being lifted . He claims 80 inch pounds of input gives 2400 inch pounds on the output . Not an amplifier? This is the demo I found most convincing .

    Neptune,
Here is a link to the thread; http://www.overunity.com/11728/a-pendulum-idea/
A video showing the basic way a second weight could move;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilsB_KtTSAU
Andrea's work; http://www.youtube.com/user/babarlizia#p/a/u/0/lSqRzO7n_K4
  The principle behind the second weight is when it's line slips off the cog, the weight moves outward on the same shaft the main weight is one. This would increase the velocity of the main weight. as it swings. This is because the line to the second weight moves around the cog attached to the fulcrum (taking a longer path), it conserves momentum. The pictures in the thread hopefully clarifies how they might work together.
This should allow the main weight (hopefully) to swing a little higher.
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[neptune]

@Johnny874 . Many thanks for the links . Fascinating stuff . I need to study this . As regards the 2SO . In order to loop it , on a small scale , I think clockwork could be the answer . Imagine an axle . The axle is fixed and can not rotate . It is supported at its ends . Near each end is mounted a disc which can rotate on bearings . Between the discs is a strong clock spring . The outer end of the spring is fixed to one disc and the inner end to the other . One disc is driven by the output through a linkage . A ratchet prevents it unwinding . The other disk drives the escapement which drives the pendulum . If , as I suspect , the output lever tends to overwind the spring , this will just temporarily stall the lever movement for a few swings of the pendulum . Clockwork is quite efficient , and if the 2SO is as efficient as claimed , this idea stands a good chance .

[johnny874]

@Johnny874 . Many thanks for the links . Fascinating stuff . I need to study this . As regards the 2SO . In order to loop it , on a small scale , I think clockwork could be the answer . Imagine an axle . The axle is fixed and can not rotate . It is supported at its ends . Near each end is mounted a disc which can rotate on bearings . Between the discs is a strong clock spring . The outer end of the spring is fixed to one disc and the inner end to the other . One disc is driven by the output through a linkage . A ratchet prevents it unwinding . The other disk drives the escapement which drives the pendulum . If , as I suspect , the output lever tends to overwind the spring , this will just temporarily stall the lever movement for a few swings of the pendulum . Clockwork is quite efficient , and if the 2SO is as efficient as claimed , this idea stands a good chance .

  Hi Neptune,
Thank you for your kind words.
Your thoughts on a spring are interesting and in some ways, can help to store energy.
This is important. After all, stored energy can be transferred.
With what I have thought of, I now understand why it would fail. The inertia in the secondary weight would not be cancelled out by the secondary or top fulcrum.
By understanding this, the movement of the fulcrum can easily be modified so that the top fulcrum cancels the inertia of the secondary weight. And once this energy is conserved, then we can ask how we can transfer it's potential and by what means. All these things are equally important.
I am hopefully Andrea is watching this and considering if it is something he would be interested in attempting.

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[johnny874]

  @All,
What I posted in the other thread might work. The adjustment that would need to be made is to have the bottom of the cog near the center of the primary fulcrum.
If something like this can work, the extra energy will allow the pendul to swing higher where it will develop more force. As an example, if a pendulum swings from 30 degrees before bottom center to 30 degrees after, the force it can develop is 1/2 it's mass. If the pendulum can swing to 45 degrees, then the force it can develop is 70% of it's weight, an increase of about 40%.
And it's useable power may be for a few degrees of swing where it's torque can compress a spring as Neptune suggested. Even a spiral wound spring like in a clock would work. Then it's energy could be released in a controlled fashion until the pendulum swings to the other side and once again drops down. This would allow for a some what constant release of energy from the device. 
What I like about this is by limiting the pendulum for a few degrees, this could still allow the secondary weight to maintain the pendulum's  swing height. And then you would have a constant source of power that is consistent.

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[johnny874]

   @All,
  I've thought this through and a pendulum can fit some of Bessler's clues.
Some examples are they get their force from swinging, as one weight falls, another is lifted, The weights work in pairs.
In one of my favorite Bessler drawings, it shows a pendulum in front of a wheel. But who would think Bessler would have used the mechanics of a  pendulum clock to transfer the energy of a pendulum to the wheel hiding it's inner workings.
Unless you guys like discussing specific things like how a pendulum can use springs to control the efficiency of a weight's movement, this would probably bore you.

                                                                                              Jim