12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !

[Cloxxki]

Jim, once again my cognitive skills proof to be lacking to keep up with you.

Could you put in layman's terms where exactly a gain would be extracted? I just don't see it.
Remember that when you increase radius to get a higher velocity, you'll need more input also. In the form of height or torque. It only works when the energy is there to be extracted, and it's never for free.

[johnny874]

Jim, once again my cognitive skills proof to be lacking to keep up with you.

Could you put in layman's terms where exactly a gain would be extracted? I just don't see it.
Remember that when you increase radius to get a higher velocity, you'll need more input also. In the form of height or torque. It only works when the energy is there to be extracted, and it's never for free.

  Hi Cloxxki,
It might be that I have more time for this than you do.
I think of gravity power as alternative energy.
  The picture is of Bessler's 2nd wheel at Kassel. What is unique about it is the relation the weight has with the pendulum and the wheel. With the axis of the wheel, it is at 45 degrees and with the pendulum it is 22.5 degrees.
If 2 weights are used, their force will need to be calculated where they are swinging from. The stress on the lines supporting them is not important.
The picture shows the weights having swung past bottom center. When they started swinging, they were together. As the top weight is lifted, momentum is conserved. This is where free energy would come from. Springs help by over coming some of the friction of the top weight being lifted. Bessler did not have bearings to reduce friction. Also, if the rod the weight is moving on is always tilted toward the point it is swinging from, this would also reduce drag. Springs would help to reduce this effect.
What is unique about this is that if you suspend something, it can still have the same force laterally. With a pendulum, if it's weight has a mass of 5 kilograms, at an angle of 30 degrees from it's fulcrum, it has a lateral force of 2.5 kilograms.
I hope this helps.

                                                                              Jim

[johnny874]

  Hi Cloxxki,
You did ask specifically where the free energy comes from.
I don't think I explained it very well.
When 2 weights swing from 30 degrees as an example, if the top weight
is not suspended from it's fulcrum, but from the fulcrum of the lower weight,
it's force will calculated from the lower axle.
As the 2 weights swing and the top weight starts to swing from it's axis, then it
will be calculated from a higher point of rotation. And yet both the top and bottom weights would have the initial acceleration of the lower fulcrum.
I am glad you asked, other wise I might not have thought of this specific reason.
Now in considering that, a small cog placed above the main fulcrum might be the correct answer. Pretty much what Bessler shows in his drawing.

                                                                             Jim

[johnny874]

  @All,
Here is the math diagrammed. I hope it helps.
And as Neptune mentioned, springs can help. This is because they can store energy.
This would allow the energy to be used for rotating the wheel and for helping to maintain
the perpetuality of the pendulums.
If a weight swings from A to B, if more than one fulcrum is used, it will have more than one value.
If swinging from 2, then initially, a 5kg weight will have 1 kg of extra energy. This energy can be used to
compress a spring which can store it.
For a 5 kg weight to swing to point B, by swinging from fulcrum 1, it will use 40% less energy. This would allow for
the stored energy in the spring to both finish the pendulum's movement and rotate a wheel.
And if more than one pendulum is used, they can swing in opposition to each other. In pendulum clocks, pendulums
slow the rotation of the drum that powers the clock. The drum has a line wrapped around it which a weight is suspended from.
Thought I would mention this as the pendulum controls the rotation while swinging in either direction.
I'm not sure if such a wheel could do much work, but Bessler did say his wheels sounded differently because they used different principles.

                                                                                                             Jim

edited to modify pic

[johnny874]

 
   @All,
  Possibly the simplest way to test an idea such as this is by using flywheels, one on each side of the fulcrum.
It could release the pendulum at 30 degrees. This would mean that torque would cause the flywheel to accelerate. After this, the pendulum could swing from a higher fulcrum.
With 2 weights, when the top weight is at bottom center, it would be at it's highest point relative to the lower weight's swing. If it stays in this position, then it might recieve the necessary lift so it can be reset and help rotate the flywheels. This would mean that the flywheels would need a ring with a large diameter. It would need to transmit power from the weights on the fulcrum to the flywheels. As such, a wheel could act as a flywheel.
If so, then it would be a simple system capable of delivering useable power.
It's odd thinking about it, but with only one weight on the pendulum, it might not work. Just have the shorter pendulum supported on both sides by the axles and the top fulcrum by an over head frame work. Think of a swing. Yep, think it will work just fine. And Cloxxki, one day we will have a beer  :-) Figure somethin' good otta come out of all this.

                                                                            Jim

  edited to add; it could be as simple as one weight chasing the other.