12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !

[tagor]

@Tagor .Yes we are awaiting a self runner . But waiting will achieve nothing .I am limited to what I can do , due to failing eyesight , poor health , old age and poverty . In spite of these problems , I am working on building my experiment . Surely a test where a one pound weight falling two inches raises a one pound weight four inches or more is more than "virtual " ? Such a demonstration , on its own is the holy grail that has been sought since the death of Bessler .My hope is that this test will inspire builders .I know exactly how to loop this machine if the Grim Reaper doesnt beat me to it . Why not stop waiting and start building ? Just a thought , my friend .

I have a dual pendulum running for more than 4 years with just a very poor sunday
if it was OU this device had to explode long time ago !!

my time and my money is not free

[johnny874]

   @All,
If the enrgy out put was more than the input, it would already be a runner.
It could be his claim of 12X is based on using leverage to achieve a more efficxient pump design which has been demonstrated. I don't think his claim ever has been OU. And from what I have read, that has not been his pursuit. If so, could someone please post a link ?
To that end, here is an idea I described earlier in the thread of using a top or secondary weight with another weight. The secondary weight could have it's position changed on the downward swing swing to stay behind the primary weight. This would cause a change in the CoG of the primary and most likely heavier weight.
On it's downward swing, a tab could "stop" the secondary weight. The primary weight would swing past it. After it does, then the secondary weight would act as if it werte pushing the other weight. The tab could be spring loaded so it would release the secondary weight with minimal energy wasted. And it could be very little. Of course, with an OU device, precision would be.

                                                                                    Jim

edited to add; the primary weight is not shown

[Cloxxki]

The inventors have NO IDEA about mechanics, if they can't loop 3.25x (claims drop quickly?)

Lifted and then rolling weights could easily be made to time a looping mechanism out of. I've seen crazier contraptions than that.
The second stage loads a spring, which is unload just as a sensor notices the optimal moment on the first stage. With 1.5x overunity, this will be a self-runner even with terrible timing and energy storage and transfer. I'll give them a few hand taps to get the system going, even after it's reached operating amplitude.

It will be found that less energy can be extracted from the second stage, and more is actually required on the first stage. End result: underunity.

The ever-changing fulcrum of the first stage is hard to get into math, but not a problem at all to administed feedback loop to. A correctly placed lever can tap the first stage at the right place and time, every time, when it's just tuned once and for all. Load the lever with the second stage's huge output. The helper of a clock maker would build this from lego in a matter of minutes. It's only hard if you pre-determing the effect of a succesful build. The second stage digging huge holes, throwing big buckets of dirt high up with each swing, while a child taps the first stage with it's small spade. Nice dream.

[neptune]

OK then . I guess It will have to wait until I get it built . The key thing about my planned demo , is that it will give indesputable measurement of both input and output . I do not expect to see 12 times OU , although I believe that may be possible . If I can see 2.5 or 3 times , I am confident I can loop it . The big question is this . If I can lift a one pound weight more than 2 inches , by allowing another 1 pound weight to fall 2 inches , HAVE I PROVED OVERUNITY ?

[johnny874]

OK then . I guess It will have to wait until I get it built . The key thing about my planned demo , is that it will give indesputable measurement of both input and output . I do not expect to see 12 times OU , although I believe that may be possible . If I can see 2.5 or 3 times , I am confident I can loop it . The big question is this . If I can lift a one pound weight more than 2 inches , by allowing another 1 pound weight to fall 2 inches , HAVE I PROVED OVERUNITY ?

   Neptune,
Unfortunately, "credible" people in this forum have already made that claim but refused to show their work.
Most I don't think will accept it. Not because of your efforts but because of the frauds who have claimed many things.

                                                                                              Jim