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12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !

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Cloxxki

Quote from: johnny874 on January 12, 2012, 09:39:38 AM
    Cloxxki,
One thing that might have been over looked, even by scientists, is that 1 meter is the Golden Rule when it comes to centrifugal force. If the radius is less than 1 meter, then it's effect increases. And as the radii is increased, the effect of centrifugal force decreases.
Please say that in a way even I understand?
Do you the /r part in the formula? If so, that bears no importance. r=1 is just the value corresponding with 1N for 1kg at 1m/s². You could express 1N as Accelerated Mass at 1m radius. It's a unit, is all.

johnny874

Quote from: Cloxxki on January 12, 2012, 10:16:11 AM
Please say that in a way even I understand?
Do you the /r part in the formula? If so, that bears no importance. r=1 is just the value corresponding with 1N for 1kg at 1m/s². You could express 1N as Accelerated Mass at 1m radius. It's a unit, is all.

   One thing I have wondered is if mv^2 is actually mv/s, like m/s/s for gravity. While with gravity the last s stands for seconds, it has come to be expressed as ^2. Simply put, with centrifugal force, it might be best calculated in how force increases similar to gravity. An example is if a 1kg weight has a velocity that is a percentage of 9.87 and a radius that is a percentage of 1 meter, then could the results be measured to show such a relationship exists ?
  Tests can be done to see if centrifugal force increases or decreases at the 1 meter mark. The simplest weigh (way, having a little fun) is to have the fulcrum be placed on top of a digital scale. Then, when the weight swings (using different radii), a video could be made to show what is happening and the reading on the scale would show. While it is a unit, it might be that calculating centrifugal force by miles or kilometers would give an an acceptable answer, but one that might be wrong.
One reason why I wonder about this relationship is that 1 meter was the standard on which modern scientific thought has been based. And by changing the basis, the reliability of the calculations might also be changed.

neptune

Hi GUys . Fascinating stuff . I have to admit that i had not even thought about the Earth`s spin having an effect on gravity . 1 revolution every 24 hours does not sound a lot ,. But when you take account of the Earth`s size , the rate of spin is about 1000 MPH at the surface , not insignificant . Regarding the metre as being a significant dimension , I am not sure . I believe it is defined as some fraction of the distance from the equator to the poles .
       @Johnny 874 . I think you said your build was held up for want of a steam box .  I believe a steam box is for bending wood .{Warped Boards ?] . Curved wooden components can easily be fabricated from many layers of thin plywood and PVA glue . If you needed a router to make grooves in these components , instead cut slots into the surface layers with a fretsaw or jigsaw before fabrication . Just thought this might help .
  Later guys , Regards , Ken .

johnny874

Quote from: neptune on January 12, 2012, 01:27:05 PM
Hi GUys . Fascinating stuff . I have to admit that i had not even thought about the Earth`s spin having an effect on gravity . 1 revolution every 24 hours does not sound a lot ,. But when you take account of the Earth`s size , the rate of spin is about 1000 MPH at the surface , not insignificant . Regarding the metre as being a significant dimension , I am not sure . I believe it is defined as some fraction of the distance from the equator to the poles .
       @Johnny 874 . I think you said your build was held up for want of a steam box .  I believe a steam box is for bending wood .{Warped Boards ?] . Curved wooden components can easily be fabricated from many layers of thin plywood and PVA glue . If you needed a router to make grooves in these components , instead cut slots into the surface layers with a fretsaw or jigsaw before fabrication . Just thought this might help .
  Later guys , Regards , Ken .

   Ken,
I know how I would like to build it. Until then....

  @Cloxxki, going by gravity, centrifugal force would be it's equal at a radius of 4.935m and a velocity of 9.87m/s/s. We are moving at about 5kps and with a radius of 6,000km's.

gdez

@neptune,
"Could it be the poles are more than magnetic, and it's path being 90º with eath's self-created CF, makes its sum, "gravity", seem all nice and level all the way around, with only minor variance? Only at bigger altitutes would differences form. and we know space programs keep missing their calculated orbits. They've learned to accept there is a correction to be applied, but unsure what it substantiates, or unwilling to share."

Don't forget about precession, that could have a lot to do with it. I have only touched on reading about it, but could precession be added to the eccenric flywheel effect? It seems like it would give it a 3rd dimension to work with, possibly adding power? i have thought about a gyroscopic-like eccentric flywheel, and how it would work. A simple test to play with---take a bycycle rim hold it horizontally and spin hard. you can balance it on your finger tip, but try to turn it to the vertical position and you will find that it is not that easy. it just doesn't want to go. A very simple experiment, and it will definitely make you think. An interesting thing I noticed is on my swing 5 video. If you watch while I am cranking it up, you'll see the frame rocking side to side. when I let go of the crank, it seems to smooth itself out. My swing 6 model is sturdier, made out of steel and doesn't rock sideways as much, but I can't get it to run like swing 5. S5 I had run for 6;20, but my new and seemingly improved model won't go past 2:30 to 3:30. Could my quick throw together model have actaully helped performance? Also I will start paying attention to my N,E, S, And W orientation. i have turned it 90 degrees, but never gave much thought on how it could effect the experiment. I will try to post more videoes about my ideas, because I do feel they explain more about what I'm thinking than trying to just type it up.
@ Clokki
I also like simple ideas, and while I do have some complicated ides about the tsmo or as I would really like to call it "multiple oscillatior", The KISS method seems the best to me also.
@ neptune---- youtube gdez1000.
Enjoy, greg