12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !

[hansvonlieven]

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@Stefan

But it is so difficult that someone can build a replica of the invention of Milkovic and to make some appropriate measures ?

Ciao
Adriano

There have been many replications of Milkovic's system. NONE have shown OU!

Hans von Lieven

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G'day Stefan and all.

Hi Hans and all,
I also played with it and I came up with a setup
that describes the Milkovic setup much better.

I agree that this is a fair simulation of what happens in a Milkovic device. I have made some alterations to your simulation in order to show what I was talking about in my earlier post, which i will repeat here for convenience's sake.

@ allcanadian,

The main reason for the simulation was to show that the Milkovic demonstration where he moves the balance arm and states that this does not introduce oscillations in the pendulum is wrong.

Having built various versions of the Milkovic device I am aware that a simulation of this kind does not completely show everything there is to know, but for the purpose stated the simulation is valid and shows the interactions of forces accurately.

Milkovic states that the movement of the balance arm does not influence the behaviour of the pendulum. This is also wrong as it clearly does.

Try the following experiment. Use the Milkovic arrangement with the counterweight on the other arm as designed and doing some work as in hammering an anvil. Start the pendulum with a measured push, let it run its course until all energy is expended and the pendulum comes to a standstill. Count the number of oscillations.

Next clamp the balance arm and from the same starting position and with the same amount of push repeat the experiment. Count the number of oscillations.

Perhaps then you will see what I am driving at.

Hans von Lieven

All I have done is to duplicate your balance arm arrangement and fixed it in space so it does not perform work anymore. All other parameters are identical. Now watch what happens to the energy stored in the pendulum as the two simulations run simultaneously.

I did not have a simulation programme when I first did my experiments so I had to build the device. Let me assure you this is exactly what I found and judging by his post this is also what allcanadian observed in his replication.

I am only uploading the wm2d file as I have only a landline available here and uploading large avi's is a pain in the butt. Perhaps you would be so kind and do this so everybody can see the simulation.

Hans von Lieven

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G'day again,

I have done a very short avi of the simulation which nevertheless gives a clear idea of what happens to the energy in the Milkovic system. For those of you that have the programme you will have to let it run to 28000 to see the full cycle. You will notice that the bottom pendulum moves for just under 8 minutes longer than the pendulum that is performing work.

Anyway, have a look at this:

Hans von Lieven

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[hansvonlieven]

Sorry guys,

This one does not work either.

Notice how the top pendulum slows down after every impact in direct ratio to the force of the impact as energy is transferred to the anvil.

My apologies for the f*ck up 

Hans von Lieven

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