Pierre's 170W in 1600W out Looped Very impressive Build continued & moderated

[listener192]

Here is a drawing of the diodes in action that Pierre drew on the back board in one of his videos.   You should see why we have to shut off the field in rotation now.  Keep the code the same using overlap mode.  This also explains why you do not want the coils in series.  You want to isolate the field(s) and you can run them in parallel.

All very well but Pierre achieved this with his coils in series.
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[konehead]

HI all
Something is going on we don't know about and have not clued in yet in fact Pierre himself is not sure "how" it works so well - it just does and a fact is a fact...
Jerdee - the delayed timing of when to complete the recovery circuit does "something good" as it goes in this ABCD sequence: 
A: only DC pulse to inductor
B: pulse to inductor continues, but now diode recovery connects to load of caps...
C: pulse to inductor turns OFF but diode recovery is still connected (perhaps this allows actual inherent backemf to exit and strengthen power of recovery output is my theory) 
D: Diode recovery connection turns off
Something goes on here...like mentioned I think it allows inherent backemf forces to exit inductor instead of lurking and causing backed-up problems it will do "within inductor"
Also you know how if you connect your usual backemf/recoil recovery diode to direct resistive load it just kills the primary DC pulse and amps go up like crazy at primary (so you should fill cap only to prevent this)
Well with this delayed-recovery connection scheme now you can connect recovery diode to loads or very big cap plus in motors, it makes rpms go up dramatic and draw go down.....this when you find just the right timing and delay...There might be something like this going on in DZ generator from the field rotation delaying the recovery to caps via overlapping (but I don't know)
It is a big mystery to me how there can be backemrf/recoil recovery at all if the rotating field does not ever "turn off" ....but then how can you rotate it without turning off coils at some point as the rotation occurs?? Big mystery to me makes no sense....

PMGR:
I agree, lets try and replicate what Pierre did before we go off in assorted directions and hopeless tangents...but problem is its not working, no one is even close to 1600W output....something is going wrong that is for sure could be understanding of the rotation of fields to be like permanent magnet sweep... could be Pierre explaining stuff we get it wrong what he means...he is already building new design so maybe this is clue where we should all be going too but sure would be nice if everything was logical connect this to that do it like this nuts and bolts but it is not is the problem.
Maybe the lack of lenz law (which you get very strong when sweeping permanent magnets) is causing thinking to be backwards how it should go - as resistive load usually kills rotation of permanent magnets, but without lenz braking action, now what and how should everything go and be?
Sorry I don't know but just put in my two cents what I know about generator coils and recovery circuits maybe something I write will click with someone like Jerdee doing the code and we will all prosper from discovery related to my experience...
I am hoping the peak coil shorting stuff happens "all on its own" via the rotation of the field and the overlap period of two coils maybe the coils short go into hyper ring and fill caps like crazy and no one knows including Pierre this is going on and is why his caps fill so quick...
Personally how I think it works is like this:
NSNSNS poles rotating
Each pole spans 6 slots
Slot one winds LHR around first laminate segment, on the 6th laminate segment you wind RHR now an electromagnet is created, with opposite poles at ends, like it should be.
IN BETWEEN (laminate segments 2 3 4 5) now have windings around them and all these become INDUCED PICKUP WINDS and this is where all the "extra power" comes from...
"perhaps" these pickup winds are short-circuited at their peak periods to really blast caps up high and fast either naturally via field rotation doing this, or switched....
Perhaps the energized winds also induce into the rotor, along with the energized segments at both ends and these fields "cohere" and really blast the locked rotor with some good induction...
All this "I don't know" of course...
Also does not make sense exactly how the fields rotate electronically but like permanent magnets would, (seems to be the goal) and does seem to me like someone mentioned recently,  it is more of a "linking" of fields what everyone is doing and thinking right now not so much a good simulation of a permanent magnet sweep (but again I don't know sorry)

[konehead]

Hi PMRG
REading your last post again, you say there are 6 poles, NSNSNS and they are in parallel....
So am thinking, what are the poles? are they 6 laminate segments per pole  in 36 pole stator, and each of those six laminate segments is wound same direction for example NNNNNN within the length of pole for example the N pole of the NSNSNS poles?
I would guess this not the case, and those 6 laminate poles are actually wound NXXXXS or SXXXXN with the Xs representing induced pickup winds....
The adjacent poles would now have N N  or S S adjacent polarities, which some say will create cancelling, but maybe this creates a shorted-condition upon field rotation and not a cancellation effect because of the rotation? Just for that fleeting moment there is overlapping in the A AB B type of movement Pierre mentions. Just thinking sorry!

[r2fpl]

Thinking about the magnetic flux at the end of the magnet and the coils, one would conclude that it could be such a move. Why power the central coils of the rotor.
We would have 2 coils always off and maybe they are the pickups.

[listener192]

There is overlap of each N/S pole which creates cancellation and so we know that squeezing 6 poles into either 36 or 30 slot stators is not optimal. 

Optimization is the path that Pierre is taking now and his comments relate to his current development and not the first.

Expect no assistance from Pierre in replication, he has no interest in this.
Pierre's more recent posts approving of diverse theories and other configurations are more of a distraction from the replication effort.
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