Backup thread: "My idea... A new magnet motor."

[magnetmotorman]

This is just a backup of an old thread, you don't need to respond to it.

This is an approach to a final model, but the concept is clear. This is a magnet motor.


The letters in the drawing denote:


R / N = rejection / neutral.
R = rejection.
A = attraction.


The drawing is side view.
Each magnet shows its face (pole) to the other. You must arrange the magnets so that it would bring the rejections and attractions. The trigger is retractable, and moves only horizontally, just like the rotor. You may switch the "actuator" between ON/OFF, or Rejection/Neutral mode, just by pulling/putting-in-face the "trigger" magnet. It may be done by a simple mechanism.


I will explain better soon.


A warm hug!

[magnetmotorman]

I have to clarify, that "counterweight" is actually a "countermagnet"!
I know, my english is too poor. If anyone want to correct me, please, send me PMs, I want to be fully understood.




Greetings!

Low-Q responded:

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I have to clarify, that "counterweight" is actually a "countermagnet"!
I know, my english is too poor. If anyone want to correct me, please, send me PMs, I want to be fully understood.




Greetings!
Wherever you take the forces from, those forces will fight back with the same force.
Try to see the whole picture and not what you want to see. Try to find the reason why this motor can rotate the oposite way also - think backwards of what you had in mind in the first place. If it turnes out that the motor also will rotate the other direction, the motor will probably not work.


This way of thinking has saved me lots of time when dreaming of overunity.


Good luck


Vidar

me:

Mmm... may be you are not understanding the picture, or may be that I have not explained it enough, Low-Q.


It can rotate in any direction, depending of the exact position of the rotor and the inertial force acumulated at the moment of the trigger shot.


Imagine it like a conventional electric motor. But the actuator is not a solenoid, instead it is a set of magnets, and one of them is mobile (the "trigger").

Low-Q responded:

Now I see. I will take a look at it.

Me:

A further clarification: the side view show slim magnets, but it would be better taller ones, I thought.

lumen responded:

I have tired a similar construction, and the trigger, which was balanced in the reaction, will no longer be balanced when the rotor magnet is present.

Me:

That's right, seems like you have put the actuator too close to the rotor. Remember that the goal is not efficiency, but overunity. If you put them too close, the compressed magnetic field of the actuator is yet affected by the rotor magnet. I'm using a double magnet for the trigger, for ensure the completely compression of the actuator field.


Even so, in theory and according to you, when they are face to face, you will obtain more attraction than rejection, over the trigger. That's right, but there are a solution, let me thought. I will answer tomorrow.

Me:

I have been workin on a solution to that problem. You need to put the rotor magnets, with the side out, so that the pole is not used. Then, locate the stator to 45 degrees of rotor magnets. Thus, you get a repulsive effect on the rotor, not canceling the field of the actuator. Thus, the trigger is in equilibrium, because the actuator was not canceled, nor his power was reduced, but was only diverted or fluctuated in the lateral field. Get a cause-effect relationship in one direction. That's the idea. Tell me what you think.


I will work on images and diagrams for tomorrow.

[magnetmotorman]

Me:

In this case, the magnetic field is not canceled, because the pole is not in direct relation with the rotor.

[magnetmotorman]

Me:

As you can see, I have added a protection for the rotor magnet, preventing thus from the stator rejection, previously to the trigger shot position. This iron sheet is fixed, and this is its only function.

[magnetmotorman]

Me:

Note 1: I forgot to specify on the pic the direction of the rotor movement.
It is this ------------------------------------> (clockwise).


Note 2: the trigger movement must be many times faster than the rotor movement. So it would be OK add some gears to reduce the turns speed with the same attached load.


Hello there, I need volunteers for this idea, it could become a big project.


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Would not declare victory too soon, but it seems that this new setup works even without a magnet trigger (and without the counter-magnet, of course.)


I'll still working on it.


Greetings!

XS-NRG:

you don't need volunteers
if you wanna see why this cannot work you built and test it

Me:

I'm doing it. Thanks for your non-help, XS.


I must to thank to Lumen and Low-Q, they helped me to improve this concept.


Greetings.



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No joy, It doesn't work without a trigger. I'll still working.

XS-NRG was right, it didn't work in the end. I built another model, same as the first model, but a static one, static except for the "trigger", and it apparently worked, i broke it accidentally before finished. I decided not to re-build it, because I think that the magnets get demagnetized very quickly in this setup.