Kapanadze and other FE discussion

[Sergh]

I don't know if these arrows show the flow of electrons or the directions of dependence.

The patent shows wires to return power from output for self-powering the device.

This is what most of the video is about. At first, Kapanadze said that the device produces much more energy than it consumes from the battery. Then he said that they tried to charge the battery while the device was running. To do this, they made a simple charger, consisting of a step-down transformer and a rectifier. But it turned out that the main device can work without a battery at all. Of course, how could he charge then.

What is curious:

- why does the device need a 12 V DC to 220 volt AC 50 Hz converter?

Because Kapanadze's device has such a simple circuit that there is no 50 Hz master oscillator.

This needs to be explored. How are high voltage pulses generated when only 2 power transistors are visible? Probably the AC 50Hz voltage from the iron transformer goes directly to the bases of the transistors. To form short pulses, dinistors or even zener diodes can be used.

On your frame from the video, there are probably another wires.
These relatively thin wires go direct in the jar.
Probably inside the jar is some device that works from AC 220 volts. I assume that there is a small pump.

Today we have lab R&D 150 Wh/Kg capacitors ( similar batteries).
10 Gr. capacitor enough for 5000 Watts energy during one second delivery !
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In the video, Kapanadze's lamps are 5 kilowatts, which, according to him, can glow for a long time.
Let's say they glow for 1 hour, that's 5000 Watt Hours.
It would take more than 33 kilograms of such supercapacitors to store this energy.

But let's talk about something else, which is more important:
Lamps consume 5000 watts. In a one second, the energy dissipated by the lamps will be 5000 Joules.
The voltage frequency on the lamps is 50 Hz.

1. If the power cells are unipolar.
Then the device generates at least 50 pulses per second, each pulse has an energy of 100 Joules.
By the circuit from paper with shoe prints, there are 10 cells of the "Tesla bifilar" type inside the bobbin. Based on this, each cell should create an energy pulse of 10 Joules. The voltage of the pulse must be at least 30 volts per cell. Then we can determine the estimated capacitance of the cell:
something like a 22,000 microfarad 30 volt capacitor needs to be charged every 0.02 seconds. It will be hard.
But 30 volts is too much for chemistry. If we focus on the usual voltage of hydrogen cells of 2 - 4 volts, then the number of cells should be 10 times more. 10 packs of 10 cells. One cell should produce pulses of energy of 1 joule with a voltage of 3 volts. Not much better, 220,000 microfarads 3 volts. Although this is already close to the parameters of supercapacitors or ionistors or hydrogen power cells.

2. If the power cells are bipolar.
Then the device generates at least 100 pulses per second, each pulse has an energy of 50 Joules.
Each of the 10 cells should create an energy pulse of 5 Joules. The voltage in the pulse must be at least 30 volts per cell. Then we can determine the estimated capacitance of the cell:
something like a 11,000 microfarad 30 volt capacitor needs to be charged every 0.01 seconds.

If we focus on the usual voltage of hydrogen cells of 2 - 4 volts, then the number of cells should be 10 times more. 10 packs of 10 cells. One cell should produce energy pulses of 0.5 joules with a voltage of 3 volts, charge with energy from the "other world" a capacity of 110,000 microfarads of 3 volts every 0.01 seconds. This is  close to the parameters of supercapacitors or ionistors or hydrogen power cells. But the charging or  discharging current is very big for such dimensions.

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Sergh:

You are trying to find the power in a 2004 device that has coils, box etc. Even here there is no place for batteries. See the small 2kW device with pvc boxes. The weight of this device is approx. 2 kg. but always the common part of these devices is the power on the earth wire from the ground! 24A (2004,greenbox)!
Here you should consider how it is possible that there is 24A on the ground cable? Why ? and how is that possible?
There are possibilities:
1. there is a second ground.
but you can't see that there are 2 groundings. So there is one...
In what operating mode can we have a 24A gorund cable?
2. TT gives current on one wire
3. Spark Gap.

I don't know any other possibilities.

[forest]

maybe between coil and ground there is constant or intermediate (pulsating) potential difference producing current on surface of wires

[pix]

This changes everything.
https://overunity.com/19422/topruslan/msg580518/#msg580518

[Sergh]

Here you should consider how it is possible that there is 24A on the ground cable? Why ? and how is that possible?
There are possibilities:
1. there is a second ground.
but you can't see that there are 2 groundings. So there is one...
In what operating mode can we have a 24A gorund cable?

If there was a second grounding, then Kapanadze would have told about it. That picture with two different transformers, a pulse and a 50 Hz transformer, and two groundings at a distance of 10 meters, which is common in the network, you can not attach to Kapanadze's topic. This picture is mine, I came up with this first concept many years ago when the GreenBox video came out. Someone spread this picture on the internet. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxFgAfSXNt8

The fact that some speak about telluric currents does not apply at all. It is enough to read serious scientific works about this phenomenon. Even with two grounds, you won't get that much power.

But it could be even worse. If a phase wire is hidden inside the ground wire. Or the second option, in the GreenBox video, one guy always stands with a coil of wire in one place. Watch the GreenBox video, it's true.
Some suggest that through the sleeve of his clothes a wire was hidden in the shoes, which, through the heel, contacts an inconspicuous pin in the ground, to which, through a long-buried wire, Kapanadze's hidden assistant connects the phase at the right time.
A young fearless guy stands on the phase and clamps the wire in his hand with the "grounding" cable. He will not be shocked while the phase is connected, if he does not open his hand and the ground and the sole of the shoe of the second foot is sufficiently dry and does not conduct electricity.
In this case, it can be considered all a hoax.

2. TT gives current on one wire

How do you imagine it?
I'm sure it's not possible. Bobbin Kapanadze is not a Tesla coil. There is no toroid, between the capacitance of which and the ground charge moves. No high voltage, streamers and other effects.
Tesla coils consume a lot of energy but do not produce any additional energy.
Bobbin Kapanadze as a Tesla coil would operate at a very high frequency, a few megahertz.
Current clamps would show the weather on Mars at this frequency.

3. Spark Gap.

What can make such a weak discharge, as we see in the GreenBox video?
Can such a discharge affect current clamps through a long wire so that they formally show the desired current?
No. Moreover, from this, a power of 5000 watts appeared in the load from the light bulbs. No 100%.

I don't know any other possibilities.

4. Latent emission of charged particles from the device, for example, ions of some kind of gas. Kapanadze often held his presentations in open space, in the fresh air.
But I doubt that the emission of such a large number of charged particles can be imperceptible. It would be noticeable. That's 5000 watts. A 40 watt industrial ionizer produces such an effect that surrounding objects begin to produce sparks when touched. At 5000 watts there would be noticeable strange events near the device.

5. This is something new, unknown to anyone.
Violating Kirchhoff's law. Violating the law of conservation of charge.
Otherworldly, from another dimension, as Kapanadze says in a recently translated video.If there is some kind of interaction with gravity, time, the formation of our present, then such effects as an electric current from nowhere can occur.