Bifilar pancake coil overunity experiment

[F6FLT]

As CH1 and CH2 remain in phase with or without the current probe,and the fact that you are measuring across a pure resistance (your CSR),then i would say that CH2 is reading correctly,and not being forced to lign up with CH1s phase.
This is also proven when you use just CH1 and the current probe,and once again the phases line up.
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I agree 100%.
A measurement problem with CH1-CH2 would only occur when the difference is small compared to each value. It is easy to measure 1mV ac, but it is not easy to measure 1mV when it is the difference between 1KV and 1.000001 KV  . That's why I suggested a differential measure, but I'm not really sure it's necessary here.

[F6FLT]

I am in trouble in that, i cannot really explain how these alternative uses of the bifilar pancake coil might provide overunity, other than the original Tesla design.

The original Tesla design didn't provide OU.

The only thing was that TinselKoala experiment that claimed 2.9 overunity.

Only the measurement showed an overunity of 2.9 but TK never claimed OU, the measurement has to be verified. If confirmed, OU must be checked by looping the device (which would be quite easy).

[itsu]

Hi Brad,

As CH1 and CH2 remain in phase with or without the current probe,and the fact that you are measuring across a
pure resistance (your CSR),then i would say that CH2 is reading correctly,and not being forced to lign up with
CH1s phase.

Well, yes, i agree, when looking from he ground point of view , and being measuring a resistor, the phases (CH1
voltage, CH2 current) should line up, but the current probe is not grounded, so has no reference point to measure from that ground point.
I think it measures the (true) phase as seen in the whole primary circuit, not only across the csr like CH2.
I struggle for words here to explain 

This is also proven when you use just CH1 and the current probe,and once again the phases line up.

I use CH2 (current) only with the current probe, then the both current phases line up.

So yes,the phase angle across the CSR should be 0,but your current probe shows otherwise when used in conjunction
with both CH1 and CH2,but shows correctly when CH2 is removed--is that correct?.

Almost, "it shows correctly when CH1 and CH3 (only CH2 present ACROSS CSR) is removed".


Itsu

[ayeaye]

The original Tesla design didn't provide OU.

You are telling without knowing. That's not saying that anything provides OU.

[Void]

I did point out that measuring without the input transformer has its own problems as well.
Also, are you guys trying the test I mentioned to move the scope probe leads around when
doing your measurements to see if the phase difference shown on the scope shifts around when
the scope probe leads are moved to different positions? Ignore this check at your own peril.

Itsu, when you measure the input current with your current probe, if the current probe is attached
to the same scope that you are measuring the input voltage waveform with, then the scope
ground provides the common point of reference between channels for doing the phase measurement.
Would you agree? You wouldn't be able to do phase measurements if that were not the case.