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Color's Kapanadze forum, FE builds circuits and comments

Started by AlienGrey, February 03, 2019, 05:22:13 AM

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Void

Quote from: color on February 03, 2019, 01:10:58 PM
I am a North Korean man who escaped to South Korea.

Hi Color. You are a very brave man.

I do not have a free energy generator (yet).
Like you, I am trying very hard to try to achieve that goal however. :)
All the best...

하이 컬러. 당신은 매우 용감한 사람입니다.
나는 아직 에너지 생성기가 없다.
너와 마찬가지로 나는 그 목표를 달성하기 위해 노력하고있다. :)
당신에게 최고의 소망.





steadyfield

Quote from: color on February 03, 2019, 07:09:26 AM
steadyfield:

and maybe the kacher/tesla should also be tuned to the resonant frequency of the grenade?

would be grateful if any advice is given on creating the interference between the kacher/tesla and the push-pull.
============

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uGte9CeAcQ
May I ask you for a video?
I do not have an oscilloscope, so the waveform explanation is unknown.
You can advise if you post a video that you shot in detail.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gouEQnXccG0&t=444s
Please ask for details like the above video.

I didn't make a video 2 years ago. I'm now rebuilding this replication.
You have mentioned that you don't have an oscilloscope. So, that means you cannot use the controlled kacher (74HC00s and other chips) due to the fact that you cannot see the waveform. Are you using half-wave rectification? Where should the diodes go?

QuoteHi colours

I think your from China maybe you can help us.

There is one person from youku channel who is making
Kapandze style device  .

I will share the link can you explain what he is doing

http://list.youku.com/albumlist/show/id_27546084.html

http://www.php66.com/hot/%E8%B6%85%E9%9F%B3%E9%80%9F%E7%81%AB%E7%84%B0%E5%A4%A9%E9%B9%85

Here are the schematic of the chinese so-called kapanadze device.




color

Void:

December 31, 2018, 05:04:40 PM »
Hi Jeg. I am curious why you chose to post this V8Karlo stuff in the Kapanadze thread?
It has nothing to do with Kapanadze. Why not start a new thread and call it maybe the
"V8Karlo and Other Obviously Unworkable Schemes". ;-) You will most likely be waiting a
very long time if you actually expect v8Karlo to provide you with any actual measurements
and meaningful test results. ;) See my comments in Wesley's thread on why this type of
arrangement will not likely at all even improve efficiency much. Resistive loads dissipate energy.
Feeding current though resistive loads and then back to the power source will not recover the
energy lost in those resistive devices (diodes and bulbs). Once energy is dissipated, it is dissipated. ;)
Have a happy new year guys!


December 31, 2018, 08:52:35 PM »
Hi Jeg. No worries. :) Nice to see you back here again. I understand what you are saying, and as I have
mentioned in the other thread, I have experimented with that general approach in the past just to see
what the actual performance might be. Unfortunately I found that more often than not trying to
step up the voltage at the output and feed it back to the power source (battery) usually causes the
input power consumption to increase. Any efficiency gains I have seen with these types of setups
would seem to be quite small, if any at all. Anyway, I will let you guys do your testing. I'll be interested to
see if you get the same sort of poor results I have seen with such approaches. Really this type of
approach just takes a more indirect approach at delivering power to a load, so it should not likely
show much in the way of efficiency improvements over just powering a load directly. All the best...
https://overunity.com/12736/kapanadze-cousin-dally-free-energy/20085/


Void:
January 02, 2019, 05:25:24 PM »
Quote from: itsu on January 01, 2019, 09:59:45 PM
2 Watts total in, about 650mW across the 5W / 12V bulb, so dimly lit.

Hi Itsu. So approx. efficiency of your test setup is about:
0.65 / 2 x 100 = 32.5%
Now that is seriously poor performance.  :o


Void:
January 03, 2019, 06:02:07 PM »
Hi Jeg. What is the approximate efficiency you are seeing?
(ratio of approx. output power to measured input power?)



Void:
January 03, 2019, 08:05:26 PM »
Hi Jeg. Ok, I thought your were still testing with V8Karlo's 'Q' circuit setup.
Your setup sounds interesting. :) All the best... 
https://overunity.com/12736/kapanadze-cousin-dally-free-energy/20115/


Void:
January 04, 2019, 12:00:05 AM »
Quote from: Jeg on January 03, 2019, 11:09:11 PM
As I understood, V8karlos showed just a way and not a ready device as he explained.

Hi Jeg. No, that is not correct. He said the following about his 'Q Device' circuit:
"Most of the output energy is returned to source."
"The Q device is simpler than Zero device and it has feedback which returns good
portion of energy to source while light bulb B1 at same time."

The implication apparently was that it should greatly improve efficiency over powering the bulb directly,
otherwise what would be the use of the circuit if it is less efficient than driving a bulb directly
at the same output power level?

V8Karlo mentions that there should be lots of spikes at the output of the coil,
so you may need to remove the snubber circuits on your PWM to replicate V8Karlo's 
setup, but V8Karlo should be able to clarify about what he was doing to get those spikes.
https://overunity.com/12736/kapanadze-cousin-dally-free-energy/20130/


Void:

January 04, 2019, 12:18:21 PM »
The problem with such schemes is any energy returned to the battery will always be
minus the losses of the PWM / Oscillator circuitry and other circuit components
such as any diodes used, and any loads. There are a lot of losses there just to light the bulb.

Now if you just connect a 12V light bulb up to a 12V battery directly, the main losses
are the batttery's internal resistance. You will be close to 100% efficiency if you ignore
the fact that typical batteries do not have a 100% discharge efficiency. 

Some DC to DC converters have an efficiency in the mid to high 90's at low power output,
so a very efficiently designed DC to DC converter is still not even going to be as efficient
as connecting a 12V bulb directly to a 12V battery.

Unless a scheme has a way of drawing energy into the system from external to the system,
such schemes are just not going to be as efficient as powering a bulb directly. If you think in terms
of energy losses in circuits and other components between the battery and bulb, it should be clear
that this type of approach is flawed from the start. So, if you want to get around this, you need to
figure out how to pull in extra energy from outside the system. This is why people start looking at tesla
coils with earth ground connections and spark gaps and that sort of thing. We can fool our self easily enough,
but we can't fool nature. However, nature may hold some secrets yet that we can take advantage of if we can
find and take advantage of those secrets. :) How can we draw in extra energy from outside the system?
That is the issue to focus on IMO.
https://overunity.com/12736/kapanadze-cousin-dally-free-energy/20130/


Void:

January 06, 2019, 09:54:51 PM »
Hi Jeg, Not sure about the rmsP, but in general if you have an assymetrical waveform the RMS value
indicated on a scope can potentially be very misleading, especially if the current is rectified and only conducting
during part of that voltage waveform. The scope RMS voltage reading in such a case would not be
accurate, for example. Use the RMS reading from a scope with much caution. The RMS reading from a scope
on very symmetrical sinewaves should normally be more accurate, but even then you have to be careful depending
on the actual circuit setup.
https://overunity.com/12736/kapanadze-cousin-dally-free-energy/20160/



Void:
January 18, 2019, 05:14:20 PM »
Quote from: color on January 11, 2019, 06:18:33 AM
I can not imagine censoring articles in my country.
How do free debates are oppressed and how do you want to have a true story?


Hi color. Relax. You will not be censored if you keep it civil.
If you live in China, then I hope you are joking.:)  China is of course one of the most
censored countries in the world. As you know, the internet and news in China is highly censored and controlled. :)
Also, in China you must never publicly criticize the Chinese government or you will likely end up in big trouble.  ;)

What is it you would like to say? Just feel free to say it here.
This is not Wesley's thread here. You are free to be critical here if you keep it at least reasonably civil. :)
This thread is about Kapanadze devices and similar such as Daly/Akula/Ruslan.
These devices may also possibly be related to some of Don Smith's devices.


Quote from: AlienGrey on January 18, 2019, 01:31:37 PM
no not mineral water you need distilled water pure H2O! or it will short circuit.

I think he may mean mineral oil. It can be used to cool electrical devices
by submerging electric devices like transformers or even computer servers in it, I believe.
https://searchdatacenter.techtarget.com/answer/How-to-use-mineral-oil-cooling-to-efficiently-cool-servers

Jeg, those resistors should probably work if you want to measure heat.



Void:
January 18, 2019, 09:19:15 PM »
Quote from: AlienGrey on January 18, 2019, 08:27:45 PM
Void ask Tinsel K he will tell you how to do it!

Hi AG. Yes, I know how to do it but i am not sure if Jeg's scope has
those math functions. All the best...



Void:
January 18, 2019, 11:50:58 PM »
Quote from: Jeg on January 18, 2019, 10:23:52 PM
High Void.
Yes Rigol can do the job. I just don't have a current probe. But anyway in this case I don't need it. I paralleled the two heater resistances and brought it down to 1 Ohm. Rigol shows 14V as Vrms and I trust it. I'll just try to verify it with the water heating method just for fun. Perhaps i'll record it.   
Regards

Hi Jeg, I see. You don't need a current probe to use that method I mentioned to measure the power.
A 1 ohm non inductive CSR should do as well, if the current is not too low, and if your circuit setup allows it. 
The problem with using the RMS reading on a scope for complex waveforms is the RMS readings
may well not properly take into account phase angle differences and whether the current is only
conducting part of the time. Using the method I mentioned should take all that into account, so should be
a more reliable way to measure the power.  I think it would be worth comparing using that
method just to see how the measured power compares to the way you were doing it, but that's
up to you.

I would be interested to see how you do your heat measurement calculations. :)

All the best...
https://overunity.com/12736/kapanadze-cousin-dally-free-energy/20190/


Void:
January 19, 2019, 06:11:47 PM »
Quote from: Jeg on January 19, 2019, 09:17:32 AM
Hi Void
What about when the load itself is just 1 ohm? I mean i measure across it a certain voltage. Isn't that value the same for current and for Vrms? At 1 ohm i see an Rms voltage of 14V. So voltage is 14V and current 14A. V*I=196W.
Yes if you are interested in this measuring method, i'll make video for discussion.

i found equation here https://sciencing.com/calculate-time-heat-water-8028611.html

and online calculator here https://bloglocation.com/art/water-heating-calculator-for-time-energy-power

Hi Jeg. Thanks for those links. Those are useful. If you make a video using that approach
I will be interested to see it.

Yes, if you are measuring both the voltage and current across a resistor, the voltage and current should be
in phase, if the resistor doesn't have any significant inductance. At higher frequencies even a small amount of
inductance in a resistor can throw measurements off considerably. As far as trusting the RMS values, it can depend
on the waveform shapes and exactly how your scope is calculating the RMS value. Also, if the current is not flowing
through the resistor for an entire period, but the voltage waveform extends further than the current on time, then the
voltage RMS reading of your scope could quite possibly be giving you incorrect results in a power calculation.
All the best...



Void:
January 19, 2019, 07:20:36 PM »
Hi Jeg. That should still be an interesting and informative test however.
I will be interested to hear how you make out with that type of testing approach.
All the best...
https://overunity.com/12736/kapanadze-cousin-dally-free-energy/20205/




Void:
January 21, 2019, 11:50:26 AM »
Quote from: color on January 20, 2019, 04:46:28 AM
Do not say that it is right to censor my writings.
You just excuse that you are no different from Wesley.

你好颜色。 你总是抱怨这么多吗?
也许停止抱怨,只说出你想说的话。
如您所见,您可以在这里发表评论。
这不是韦斯利的主题。
:)
https://overunity.com/12736/kapanadze-cousin-dally-free-energy/20220/



Void:
January 22, 2019, 12:41:24 AM »
Quote from: color on January 22, 2019, 12:17:49 AM
I have not seen anyone experimenting with a 500 W X 4 bulb, except for Ruslan.


Hi color. It's not about how many lightbulbs you can light. It's about
power output compared to power input. :)
https://overunity.com/12736/kapanadze-cousin-dally-free-energy/20235/




Void:
January 28, 2019, 05:38:50 PM »
Quote from: NickZ on January 27, 2019, 11:58:55 PM
As I feel that I was close, back then, and so was Geo. Close, but no cigar.

Hi Nick. Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. :)
A circuit either has COP > 1 or it doesn't. If someone isn't seeing COP > 1,
then they are not 'close'. They are still missing the boat.  ;D
https://overunity.com/12736/kapanadze-cousin-dally-free-energy/20355/




Void:
January 31, 2019, 04:35:26 AM »
Things that make you go hmm...  :)
https://overunity.com/12736/kapanadze-cousin-dally-free-energy/20370/



Void:
February 02, 2019, 04:21:29 AM »
I posted a fairly long comment here, but it seems maybe the forum software was being updated here
or reset when I posted my comment, so the comment vanished.  ;D Just as well. No one listens to anyone
else here anyway. ;) Suffice it to say that partially lighting some light bulbs with no proper
measurements of input power is not really of much help to anyone at all. :) It's OK.
It's not like most anything else that the majority of people in this world do much of the time makes
much sense either. ;)
https://overunity.com/12736/kapanadze-cousin-dally-free-energy/20415/

color

steadyfield:
I didn't make a video 2 years ago. I'm now rebuilding this replication.
You have mentioned that you don't have an oscilloscope. So, that means you cannot use the controlled kacher (74HC00s and other chips) due to the fact that you cannot see the waveform. Are you using half-wave rectification? Where should the diodes go?

Here are the schematic of the chinese so-called kapanadze device.
===================


I do not understand your schematic.

It is wise to ask Void.

I respect Boyd's opinion.

And,

This is a waste of time.

This place is a bitch.

Your pearls can hurt you.

Throwing pearls on pigs and dogs will trample them.

color

In the mystery novel, the perpetrator is the person who completed the case.
Only those who know the correct answer can judge right or wrong.
Freedom generators have very high self-esteem.
And pride is irrelevant to right and wrong.
Like Moses ...

The winner in the psychological fight between Sherlock Holmes and Arsène Lupin is the audience.