Stanley Meyers revisited

[CTG Labs]

Hi all,

Below you can see the WFC that we have produced.  It is working fairly well.

A few confirmations, a conditioning must take place.  When you first turn the cell on after making it, nothing happens.  Slow it starts to work and after a couple of weeks of test runs, you can turn it on and lots of gas comes basically straight away.

We are running on 12v at 3amps at the moment.

SOME OBSERVATIONS:

Once the conditioning has taken place we can place the power supply, straight DC across the cell, no pulsing circuit, the same gas flow is produced.

It appears to be frequency independent.  The frequency seems to make no different at this point.

I can only assume for now that we are not in the "meyer" window, no resonance or anything.


Regards,


Dave.

[kentoot]

Well, I don't know Carl, there too many theories / explanations floating around about the WFC. You might have a point there, I mean nobody knows for sure, right ? I'm just trying to see things from a different angle.

From my experience, when I see a transformer (& inductors), diode and capacitor (WFC) in that configuration, I see a voltage step-up circuitry. That's why Stan was able to produce high voltage pulses from a lower (but wider) voltage pulses. And when the input pulse is off, there's another pulse coming out because of the back emf (of the transformer & inductor). So in my opinion this high voltage pulses do not require any new electronic theory, this is just from the existing theory of transformer, inductor & step-up circuitry.

So after Stan got the high voltage pulses going, how did he manage to charge the WFC ? I think this needs experimenting. Like what is the frequency of the HV pulse for a particular WFC ? Also what is the required amplitude of the pulse, what is the rest time between train of pulses and so on. For this I believe we need to get down 'dirty' and try to build a WFC for ourselves, there's no other way. Once we can see the WFC charging (voltage buildup between the electrodes) I think we have ourselves a Stan WFC replication.

I think it's very critical that when we experiment we know what to observe. Bubbles coming out from the electrodes is not important, as it could be just normal electrolysis. But one thing specific to Stan's WFC is the voltage build-up across the electrodes. We have to observe the electrode's voltage, I think this is quite critical. If we see the electrode's voltage rising upon each incoming pulse (step charging the WFC) then I think we might just hit the jackpot.

Also I think Stan's schematics is completely sound & valid, electronically speaking. It should do the job very well, we should just follow Stan's circuitry. In my opinion modifying it will just create more frustration & waste more time.   

Dave,
I've got to say that's one great work of art you have there. simply amazing !!

[starcruiser]

@Dave,

That is a nice lookin' unit. I have been playing with water filter cases for mine, nothing to report of interest.

So you have built the VIC from the Stan Meyers doc's ? and experienced no difference in the cell gas output versus straight DC? Or have you just tried using a function gen and a FET setup instead for the moment?

@kentoot,

Same here on the different angles. My comment on the resonance is based on the theory of LCR circuits. I do agree that Stan's VIC uses a step up transformer circuit but the VIC does look like a series resonant circuit does it not?

[HeairBear]

From my understanding, the choke coils are tuned to resonance only to help deflect electrons away from the cell. the deflected electrons are then used in a load such as a light bulb. whats left in the cell is very little current and very high voltage potential. The liberated electrons from the splitting of the water are used as kind of like replacements for the ones that were deflected to complete the circuit. So, it's neither resonance nor a certain frequency that directly affects the splitting of the water, it's the very high voltage potential. The higher the voltage, the more attracted the the polarized particles of the water molecule become. When a state of resonance is reached (capacitive and inductive reactances equal), the two impedances cancel each other out and the total impedance drops to zero! Extremely high voltages can be formed across the individual components of series LC circuits at resonance, due to high current flows and substantial individual component impedances. The total impedance of a parallel LC circuit approaches infinity as the power supply frequency approaches resonance.

The gated pulses or duty cycles, I believe, were not stepped up in any way. Think of it as bending a wire back and forth till it breaks. several pulses and snap! Major gas release. repeat. I could maybe see the falling impedance making it seem as if the voltage or current were rising?

[kentoot]

@Carl
Well yes, I agree, Stan does put the inductor & capacitor (WFC) in series. And does look like they can resonate given the right frequency. But lets not forget the diode ! If this LC circuit purpose is to resonate, then I would say the presence of a diode there is just about the worst thing you can have. If you want to 'stretch and contract' the water molecule using the resonant frequency, why do you need a diode for ? A LC resonant circuit should not have a diode. The diode will just reduce the 'stretch and contract' motion of the water molecule.

@HeairBear
Well, what I know about LC resonance is that the reactive part of the impedance is nullified (= zero), but the resistive part is still there, so total impedance is not zero. Although you can say that at resonance there exist only the resistive part of the impedance, or impedance = resistance. In real life you can see resonance when there is no phase shift between the voltage & current waveforms. And most likely at resonance you will not be able to reduce the current consumption.

Your explanation of bending a wire back and forth, does it mean you want to split water by stretching & contracting the water molecule until it breaks ? Is this the role of 'resonant' frequency in Stan's WFC ? If you look closely at Stan's patent, you'll see this is not the case. In fact Stanley just continuously stretch the water molecule bit by bit until it breaks, there is absolutely no oscillation taken place. So only stretching, never contract, only one way, hence the diode in the circuit.

So in my opinion the pulse frequency is not meant to oscillate the water molecule up and down, but it is for charging the WFC bit by bit, stretching the water molecule bit by bit, until such time where the voltage on the WFC exceeded the dielectric strength of the water and finally the water molecules break into hydrogen and oxygen !

If we were to apply directly a dc high voltage to a WFC, definitely we will consume a lot of current (unless ofcourse we use pure deionized water). That's why Stanley used HV pulses to charge his WFC bit by bit, reducing significantly the current consumption.