Power from repelling magnets

[norman6538]

I have recovered enough to continue my construction in short spurts. I got the rotors mounted and a stator and find it very tricky to match the attract and repel forces so that movement
is balanced and requires very little effort. I will continue to tweak fine tune it.
I have made about 10 of these Lafonte things and one of the scissors devices I could never
get balanced.

I know magnets vary even in the same batch.
I may have to develop a threaded adjuster to get it right.
Remember I first saw the possibility in Lafonte's ideas 12 years ago and
have made much progress in a month and a half with a very busy schedule
and a heart attack in the middle too. 

The sadist part is no one sees the potential in this enough to even assemble a simple
20 minute Lafonte device. As you might guess I have no place in my life for professional
sports squandered time and money.

Norman

[ayeaye]

Ok, i don't understand this Lafonte very well but i think think that neither do others. So what i figure so far. Two magnets are attracted, it needs a greater force to separate them. Then we approach one pole of a bigger magnet to these two magnets from the side. Then sure more interaction goes to interacting with the bigger magnet, and the force to separate two magnets is less. I tried it and my fingers are quite sensitive, i can say the force was 2 times less maybe, not 5 times less as Lafonte says, but i don't exclude that in some configuration it may be 5 times less.

That the bigger magnet approaching and moving away needs no force, i doubt it, the magnetic fields are not ideal and all is never exactly how it theoretically should be. This effect then is also due to magnetic fields being asymmetric, that is having two poles. Show that there is overunity, measure it, this is important, even if it doesn't overcome all the possible friction there, which i think will most likely be the case, nevertheless it's important. Don't try to make continuously moving device, measure whether there is overunity in that effect or not.

So how is it, this?


    N ->              <- S

NNNNNNNNNNNNNN


           <- N S ->
NNNNNNNNNNNNNN


The matter is, very few people here are really capable of research. if you make some thing fully working, then they replicate yes, but it needs research to get there, so there is no use of it. And these few who are, mostly don't do any research, because they cannot afford the time. And there are a large number of possible things to do, so the possibility that two people do the same thing, is almost zero. Thus, in spite a lot of interest, this forum cannot much help the overunity research.

[ayeaye]

I would just say about that one, maybe it works, maybe it works better, but it is much more difficult to measure, than my design. What concerns mine, one should just add a pressure sensitive resistor and a simple trigger, and that's all that is necessary. If one likes that design, fine but, much more work. To make it such that it can be measured and not dependent on the movement of hand. I don't know of course all the possible variations of Lafonte, maybe some are easier to measure, but overall the design seems to be more complicated, three magnets interacting instead of two, and movements in two directions instead of all on one line. But ok, do it if you prefer, measure it, though more complicated and needs some calculation.

Did you already get pressure sensitive resistors, or anything such? What a thing, changing the distance between magnets in an adjustable way? Quite a bit to do, but if you work with nuts and bolts, different from pieces of mounting tape as i did, then it may be possible, pressure and force can be measured at different distances, and work calculated as one may figure.

One good thing to know though, there may be more than one possibilities for overunity with permanent magnets, maybe. Before i knew only my solution, i don't know anything else that has any measured overunity either, even when done by hand. Would be great if this would be the second of course.

[Floor]

@ Norman6538

Glad your all right  and back at it.

floor

[ayeaye]

This experiment can be done without anything at all, one just needs magnets and force sensing resistors (pressure sensitive resistors), something like these  https://www.ebay.com/itm/Resistive-Film-Pressure-Sensor-Flexible-Force-Sensitive-Resistor-for-Robot/362699404305?hash=item547291b411:m:mwYkv3D5OqYdTTZXeo6MeeQ . Energy is force multiplied by a distance. A sum of small distances and forces at these distances, is a good enough approximation. Force sensitive resistors should be calibrated, like using a known weight with an area equal to the area of the magnet, see what resistance corresponds to that

I tried to find a video of measuring magnets with force sensing resistors, i couldn't find any, many videos about how to use force sensing resistors. So when doing only that, that's something not talked about, and easy to make a video about something there are no other videos about. Something new to go into, and at that it's rather simple.

This is a video about force sensing resistors  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTO3U-0Njtw . One really needs only a multimeter, but it's not linear. I don't really know, never tried these things, which ones to use, how accurate they are, etc, Just telling all i know. It were a joy to work with these things, if i could afford the time, i see with regret the wonderful things that i'm missing.