Power from repelling magnets

[ayeaye]

Probably this inventor and artist shows and discuss " fuel free magnetic device"-s :
https://patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=9918

I'm highly skeptical of magnet motors, they are mostly a hoax, if not all of them, just a waste of time. This simulation done with femm though, and what i mentioned, this is a real research. And i want everyone to realize that we are in it together, we really research the same thing, the same phenomenon.

Notice that there are not so many people in this forum. I have been in this forum for years, and who always reply, are still the same a few dozen people. We talk to each other, And this is what this forum is about.

[lancaIV]

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About sceptics : Brown Uni and " formula"  !  ?   Geral or only specific valid.  ? 

Only permanent magnet motor :  inertia. ?  ~ inrush voltage/ current problem from electro-magnetic motors

"hoax" : simple prototype as function/ demonstration model

             input/output, maget force lifetime et cet. as discussion theme

             coupled to generator : fixed or variable speed  ? the motor and the generator. !?

[ayeaye]

Is there overunity inside that permanent magnet motor, or is there not? No, this is not an interesting question, i'm interested in researching overunity.

[norman6538]

I'm still dizzy at times but worse off because my wife might have cancer so its Dr. after Dr. and test after test.
I have made a little progress but the results are not good. The main reason is that the set and reset requires about 1 inch of movement but the "further weaker" aspect of magnets gives me only about 1/4 inch which starts off at  "further weaker". I use a variable lever so that even at
"further weaker" work is done and more work is done as it gets "closer stronger".

I have 2 paired end to end so that the cycle is.
1. move and set the first device for power out
2. back off to unset and simultaneously set the paired device.
3. back off the paired device and simultaneously set the first device.

Norman

[ayeaye]

Maybe get these scales. The fish scales are $5. There are similar more accurate scales, these are called "force gauge", and they are $50 and up. These are used in laboratory experiments, and properly these should be used. The fish scales help a lot and may be enough, but consider the following.

Say the measurements would show overunity. What they will then talk about, is the accuracy of the scales. Like these fish scales, their accuracy is likely not more than one ounce. This means that when it shows 5 ounces, it may be 4.5 ounces or 5.5 ounces. Better to test the actual accuracy, the data sheet usually gives some number that the instrument is not useful at all, for all such things, so they have no responsibility.

Now the error calculation requires that it should be calculated with all the worst values, and then all the best values, then the difference between them is the error. Like when we calculate the difference of energies, then the error is two times more, that is sure +/- 1 ounce. With that it may sometimes be practically impossible to determine whether the result was correct or not. While the low precision scales can be useful, it's better to have a high precision "force gauge", to avoid an unnecessary work.

I will explain, like a - b, this is the smallest when a is minimum and b is maximum. And the opposite, maximum when a is maximum and b is minimum. Thus it varies two times as much as a and b separately, the error in a - b is thus two times greater, than the error in a or b.

These permanent magnet overunity experiments, it would be better if they could be done by the simplest means, so anyone can replicate. Permanent magnets itself after all don't cost much. But because overunity is so demanding goal, it is really about a maximum efficiency, then one rather needs a high grade equipment. As unfortunate as it may be.

PS I estimated that when citfta could reduce the force of shifting the shield magnet to 2 ounces, then he may have overunity. To achieve that would likely be very difficult though, as he already uses linear movement on ball bearings. It looks like though that in spite the movement is on ball bearings, it takes quite a force to move a magnet there, even if no forces affect it. Like moving towards the shield magnet may not have any force at all, it is at least 3 ounces, as if it always requires 3 ounces to move a magnet there. I don't know. But even if he can reduce the shifting to 2 ounces, his scales would likely have not enough precision to show the overunity, as the final calculations error with the scales he used would likely be +/-1 ounce, not better. Unless he perhaps tests the scales and shows that they have a higher precision, that these scales very unlikely have.