This forum is turning into trash

[wistiti]

Skywatcher,  you should have persisted with POC (bucking coil)...

[rakarskiy]

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может быть, если вы хотите, чтобы ввести энергию в электросеть. Для этого Вам необходимо одобрение поставщика электроэнергии.

Но вы можете построить свое собственное радио, свой собственный пылесос, стиральную машину, цепную пилу... до тех пор, пока вы не отдадите его другим, никто не сможет запретить это. Конечно, вы также можете построить генератор энергии для питания ваших устройств. - А почему бы и нет ? И есть тысячи сообщений на этом форуме, утверждающих, что некоторые люди уже используют такие устройства, хотя я не верю в это без каких-либо доказательств.

Возвращаясь к теме этой темы: я также вижу, что этот форум (а также другие с той же темой) идет под уклон с нескольких лет. Для этого есть простая причина: почти все, что публикуется-это повторения старых идей, которые не работали много лет назад, не работают сейчас и не будут работать в будущем. Все те же старые и скучные вещи Бедини повторяются в 100-й раз, кристаллические ячейки (которые не становятся лучше, когда вы называете их "zpe battery"), магнитные двигатели и т. д. так далее. Я не видел здесь ничего нового, по крайней мере, с 5 лет.


Там уже нет даже интересных аферистов.
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Grain is, but not exactly. Yes, indeed - the forum is not a school for beginners, anyone have to use their knowledge, or to learn.  New, waiting for? And in the old well understood? In the Russian-language segment (OU), the bulk of ideas and discussions migrated to such resources as Telegram, Skype. More and more dissipated.This same forum, as for example Russian (https://x-faq.ru), or American (http://www.energeticforum.com/) are a great repository of ideas and knowledge, and in any library there are valuable documents and comics.

[lancaIV]

energy stream : ( Thermal Airfoil) Turbine
    "Turbine" alternatives : motor-generator couple,static dynamic transformer,MHD/EMD

https://patents.google.com/patent/US20110097209A1/en
Images : Figure 12
                                              the internal process ratio
From under-unity : input > output    to overunity : input < output     to overunity max.     to overunity max decrease


Let us assume : conventional motor( input) and output( generator) coil windings





"wistiti : POC( Partnered Output Coils and PIC ,I= Input = 2 or more primary + 2 or more secondary coils)" :
                               
                                             for "Turbine (motor-generator/static dynamic transformer)"

motor( input) savings by double coils windings ( non/capacitive)

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?FT=D&date=20080812&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP&CC=US&NR=7411363B2&KC=B2&ND=4#

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=10&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20110609&CC=DE&NR=112009002191A5&KC=A5#

Turbine Figure 12 input-output  ratio change  ?




generator double coil winding (POC):

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.arestov.de%2Findex.php%2Fde%2Felektromotoren%2Fwindenergie

Below the diagram "Advantages of electric generators with combined (wind) power windings :
                                                                        BEFORE/AFTER
                                      " Example : A wind turbine with nominal 400 Watt....... "


                                          Turbine process operation improvement
               


Turbine Figure 12 input-output ratio only with generator double windings  ?

Turbine Figure 12 input -output ratio with motor and generator double (POC) coils rewinding. ?


Compared with heatpump ( + heat2electricity converter)  input-output ratio. !



Thermodynamic process comparison. ! Carnot process ,also guilty for electrodynamic circuits. !
Tesla Turbine !




These are free available documentation about conventional technology changes and new concepts implementation   !




         
             Step-by-step : from little success to 100% solution on demand. !





Manko/malus " Thermal Airfoil Turbine" : the consumer does not order the turbine output. !                                                                       :  input-output unfixed - load related !

No electric consumer demand related inrush voltage and/or inrush current phase/-s controle. !
1 load up to conventional dozens of stand by/active electric appliances in private households or business or electric cars today. !

                         
                                  A TECHNICAL MUST : on-/offgrid network management. !

input inrush current/voltage + output inrush current/voltage output controle and energy management. !

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inrush_current  Watt nominal / Watt peakmax. / Wattpeakaverage






There is a future fixed  program by the E. U. -administration for the E.U.- member estates  :


Nearly zero energy building : room air conditioning + warmwater
Net zero energy  building.    :     "".     "".                            "".         "".        by in situ renewable energy plant/ energy parc
Zero energy building.            :  room air conditioning + warmwater + electric appliances  "".    "".      "".     ""


= 100% energy providing decentralisation = mostly off-grid society



ARMCORTEX, September25,2019 :
I do not need an "own mind",to work out the clear defined E. U. -program for the next decades is work enough for 475 millions E. U. - citizens. !

Down with energetic over-consume ( makes part from the E. U. -program,; max.   allowance of electric appliances consume)

Given example : from 18000 + Watt electric to +- 3000 Watt electric demand per day diminuation                             
                                                      INTELLIGENT HOUSEHOLD
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.oeko-energie.de%2Fenergieberatung%2F

                          Now, using your personal artificial intelligence : 
Designing your future household daily energy management :
Vertical line up : Wattpeak
Horizontal line :  for the 24 hours day

with/- out electric appliances function timer

The given example : 3000 Wh per day electricity demand delivered by 1500 Watt/1000 Watt or less nominal electricity generator. ?


Calculation caution :  using f. e.  micro-wave owen ( not recommended ! by the oeko-energie.de-listening) 

                                        750 Watt nominal : Wattpeak = SEVERAL THOUSANDS WATT
                                       
                                         but only 1 minute function = 750 Watt/60 minutes = 12,5 Wh consume



Is the www.mtbest.org  800 Wh electric appliances consume per day for the "emerging markets countries" more representative ? +- 7000 mio private household capitas




Household Wattpeak network management
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19950529&CC=ZA&NR=9407569B&KC=B#

On-/Offgrid-power pack with load demand controle :
https://patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=9456


#16 : " Yes, indeed, this forum is not a school for beginners,........ 

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temptation trial : error/success  + each stage - load related- inrush voltage/current  observation

Electricity amplifying /generating cascade concept : nominal values


To load(-s)/ consumer(-s) :


3rd stage : https://patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=11462.                                 AC input and AC output

2 nd stage conventional generator + inverter ( AC output)  or alternator ( AC output)
or
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=14&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20171229&CC=MY&NR=164491A&KC=A#


1st stage :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=3&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19951107&CC=US&NR=5463914A&KC=A#

Optional : to 1st stage
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=1&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19940318&CC=FR&NR=2695768A3&KC=A3#


1 Wh electric energy storage per day for up to 3000 Wh amplyfied AC electricity delivery per day

Low temperature nuclear fission generator/capsule :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=5&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19280203&CC=FR&NR=633752A&KC=A#
12 V x 1,5 Ampere x 30 hours = 540 Watthour compared 365 days x 1 Wh per day demand = 365 Watthour


This forum is not for " sleeper". !







Project and design about 100 sq living area = over 78 sqm expanded family living area  www.fas.org housing

program, "morphed/compressed" to 40 sqm living area,

https://www.google.com/search?q=youtube+morphed+apartment&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m
    ~ http://mobilchalet.de  XXL= autonomous living equipment : zero energy building standart
                                                                                                               + zero water building standart


Energy source option;: daily household capita trash/waste/junk/sewage to energy by plasma-incineration ( Dioxine-free)

From "Minimalism" : 1-2 capita per living-box/capsule
https://www.jovoto.com/projects/300house/ideas

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.zeit.de%2F2010%2F20%2FTechnik-im-Trend-Wohncontainer
+
          https://www.archdaily.com/202283/polikatoikea-filipe-magalhaes-and-ana-luisa-soares
+          http://microcompacthome.com/
+
          https://www.ecocapsule.sk/
to
https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spacebox

https://www.archdaily.com/110745/ad-classics-nakagin-capsule-tower-kisho-kurokawa   20 sqm single box
to
http://www.livingbox.it/
to
International social family housing competition       http://www.wohnmodelle.at/index.php?id=77,68,0,0,1,0/
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They received 500.000 Euros for the " autonomous living box"- prototype  !
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.zeit.de%2F2010%2F20%2FTechnik-im-Trend-Wohncontainer
Can the same living comfort effect not become realized with 5000 Euros or less investment.  ?
Basic ( transportable )  http://www.geolitesystems.com/hm.html " HomeMaker"  module. + sleep modul r+
living modul + work modul + .........
https://www.jovoto.com/projects/300house/ideas/12735 as " bath modul ". ?
https://books.google.pt/books?id=aOIDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA107&lpg=PA107&dq=glen-l+trailer+kitchen&source=bl&ots=NATJH91yS8&sig=ACfU3U1S9Wzy3HFzV-46v0kVbZsudaPYKg&hl=de&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiIgIbfsbXlAhUK0uAKHegMBIA4ChDoATABegQICBAB#v=onepage&q=glen-l%20trailer%20kitchen&f=false

http://www.geolitesystems.com/ti.html
https://www.glen-l.com/campers/queensbury.html   up to 6 adults in a trailer.


The decades old compact living caravan and Yacht space organization and approved living standart ( trailer parcs) is the prototype for future autonomous living. !

[SkyWatcher123]

Hi all, Hi wistiti, thanks for the suggestion, though I'm skywatcher on the other forum, and since I didn't want to change my name, I had to add 123 to the end of name here.


The other skywatcher user name is not me.

I'm working on a device at the moment, where I can easily try the partnered-bucking coil method again and I may just do that.

Are you still working on it wistiti and if so, how are your results.peace love light  

[onepower]

Concerning the forums(s) turning into trash.
I have found we only get back as much as we put into something however many have decided not to share.