Getting energy from asymmetry of the magnetic field experiment

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Drawing showing friction. I don't want to flood Telecom showing his work but important to know some trivial things.

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As i think. When moving the magnet from the neutral position to a certain point and stopping there, the measured force is the real force to the magnet plus friction (maximum static friction), like when moving the magnet against the force. When stopping the magnet, it moves slightly forward from the point. Then in spite that it doesn't move, the measured force and the friction remains the same, as the forces don't change any more, because they are balanced.

The same i think when moving the magnet towards the neutral position to a certain point, and stopping at that point, the measured force is the real force minus friction (maximum static friction), as when moving towards the force to the magnet. For the same reason as above, the forces are balanced and don't change any more.

I have not tried that, i just figure that it should be so.

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Using scales seems to be the best solution. One can use pulleys and weights yes, but it is rather difficult to make the pulleys, also it's rather inconvenient. The Telecom's scale is pretty good, completely enough for the task. Disk supposed to be for continuous working in that case, but better to use measurements, to get enough overunity first, if one believes that continuous rotation is possible. I feel it may be possible with a very strong stator magnet and very good bearings, though i'm not sure, not that good, but still a continuous rotation.

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This experiment is also the simplest example of a more general method of finding overunity in many kinds of magnet setups. What is called neutral point in this experiment, is more generally the state of minimal energy potential.

The setup always moves towards that state, and in that state it is stable, with no movement. There are two paths to the state of minimal energy potential from outside of the fields, and the energy of moving by both paths is measured. When the energy of moving by one path is greater than the energy of moving by another path, then there is overunity.

That below was copied from my post in another thread.

Coulomb model for magnets is the model proposed by Coulomb, where all poles have a perfectly spherical field, with inverse square law always applying, even when poles are close to each other. For such model, every pole is considered to be a point, which is usually the center of the pole area. Consider like magnets with poles on large flat sides, think how much the field of a pole by that model there differs from the real field of the pole.

There is no overunity in the Coulomb model and in any design that in principle can be explained by the Coulomb model. (Such as V-gate, etc, many designs by Lafonte.) No matter how many magnets there are, how are they positioned, and how they move or rotate. Because the energy of a pole entering a spherical field up to a certain point by any path, is always equal to the energy of going outside of the field from that point by any other path, as every spherical field is completely symmetric. This is true for every two poles of the setup in the Coulomb model, and thus for the whole setup.

The difference of the field of a pole from the Coulomb model, provides a certain asymmetry of the field. How this asymmetry can cause a gain of energy, can be estimated by knowing the shape of the field. Like, when there is a pole with more field lines on one side than the other, then obviously one gains energy when entering the field with a pole of another magnet, at the side where are more field lines, and exiting the field at the side where are less field lines.

This asymmetry can be called a non-Coulomb irregularity, because in the Coulomb model of the same magnet there is no such asymmetry, and thus there is a difference from the Coulomb model. In spite this is not a very sophisticated approach, it nevertheless enables to estimate the possible overunity in a setup, and makes the research and experimenting much more methodical, instead of just randomly trying and seeing whether there maybe is overunity, like searching a needle in the haystack.

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