All Permanent Magnet Motor

[Airstriker]

This is the latest revision.
Cancel the rod magnet feeding into the center part of the 45 degree angle.
Instead place the rod magnets North Pole again the North Pole of the center block magnet.
Watch what happens. The 45 degree framework will move counterclockwise.

If this setup also works, why not use a 3 ring magnets setup? The third one on top (with N pole pointing down) also being able to freely move up and down, just like the middle one. This way you get rid of the complicated rods setup.


And then... it would actually look like this:
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20090152970.pdf


Check out figure 2.


@Tom Have you already checked if the second revision of your design indeed works the same/better than the first one?

[synchro1]

@Airstriker,

Nice find! Here's the schematic: This must work to have merited a United States Patent! What's puzzling is; Why don't we see millions of these contraptions spinning around in display windows?  Why has it taken 11 years for anyone to see this kind of perpetual motor in action? We can call this the "Lee Fan" after the Korean inventor. I think it's fair to view magnetman12003's motor as a modified "Lee Fan".

A quote from me; comment #49: "These bearings would permit a horizontal back to back spinner to be possible".  A two sided fan compressed by two rings is best. Increasing the pressure must increase the acceleration. I designed a frictionless Halbach compression bearing for position #27 in the schematic: Lee's version is below and a ceramic at the bottom. Ceramic compression bearings are superior. It's okay to build models at home but any commercial use would owe royalties to the inventor!

[synchro1]

Is magnetman12003 spinning just the CD alone, with the 45 degree magnets mounted on it, over the surface of the top ring? A "Fox Lee Fan"?

[Magwood]

Yes I wondered the same thing when I saw that, why aren't they out there? There's probably a few variations in that design, reminds me of a similar design I saw way back in Tech school, I think I was arguing with a friend of mine saying it would never work.  If I do ever get one working I'll send him a video and apologise!    I also saw one with a metal ball rolling inside a ring with tracks to keep it on course a magnet constantly making it try to roll up hill causes the ring to turn, even if the ball slides a little it still seems to work.  But yet we don't see them out there.  Perhaps as we all get closer to making our own the men in black will come and get us?  Oh well, life was getting boring, bring on the swat team!  Or perhaps they can just get me through my 5G router these days.  If you never hear from me again you will know why. We all need to keep in contact!

[Airstriker]

@Airstriker,

Nice find! Here's the schematic: This must work to have merited a United States Patent! What's puzzling is; Why don't we see millions of these contraptions spinning around in display windows?  Why has it taken 11 years for anyone to see this kind of perpetual motor in action? We can call this the "Lee Fan" after the Korean inventor. I think it's fair to view magnetman12003's motor as a modified "Lee Fan".

A quote from me; comment #49: "These bearings would permit a horizontal back to back spinner to be possible".  A two sided fan compressed by two rings is best. Increasing the pressure must increase the acceleration. I designed a frictionless Halbach compression bearing for position #27 in the schematic: Lee's version is below and a ceramic at the bottom. Ceramic compression bearings are superior. It's okay to build models at home but any commercial use would owe royalties to the inventor!

Unfortunately you totally didn't get my point:
1. All I'm trying to do is understand why it works, or doesn't work. I'm not taking any credit from Tom just by showing something simillar.
2. Granted patent doesn't mean that it works. It only confirms that the design is unique to other patents and technically well described/written. You also don't patent an idea but a specific design.
3. IMHO that particular patented device doesn't work. I also think it has already been proven on that forum. And actually, if it would have worked, Tom's first video, with just the bottom ring magnet and plastic top ring having mounted the angled magnets, would have shown an already working device. As far as I understood it didn't? @Tom your clarification would be needed here.
4. The patented device is totally static in the vertical plane - there is no other movement but the rotation. The compression is statically adjusted. The fan or ring cannot move up and down. In Tom's device there is free movement in the vertical plane - the ring magnet with the angles can move up and down, and if his device really works this is where I would be searching for the reasons why it works. If that's really the case, the patented device has nothing to do with Tom's design and cannot be the subject of any claims.