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[magnetman12003]

1. Magnetma12003 wrote that the rods should touch the 45° magnets. Therefore he added the weights.
2. And there are the plastic tumblers which allow to adjust the angle of the rods. May be 45° is not the ideal angle, it could be 40° or 50°.

Of course, I do not know whether that helps or not. And my opinion about permanent magnet motors is better not said aloud in this forum. But I am interested in the ways people try to do the impossible. Impossible things are much more interesting than known things. Everybody can learn what is known, but trying the impossible needs determination beyond the usual.
Greetings, Conrad

Try this without using the plastic tumblers.  Take a 6 inch steel threaded bolt or rod and add some weight to it such as a group of steel washers that can be adjusted to go up or down the rod and fastened in place with nuts.   Then take the bottom of the bolt and it will attract to the 45 degree magnet you have previously mounted in your setup that freely turns with a touch.


Next you will find that the setup will spin if the bolt weight is enough and the angle you are holding the bolt at is enough.  It will continuously spin at this point.


Next put the bolt without finger touch  the same way inside a notched plastic tumbler with the lower part of the bolt in direct contact with the 45 degree magnet. The plastic tumbler should be fastened to a riser block to allow the above to happen. See photo page 11.

[conradelektro]

Hi Magnetman,
I just completed a replication of your device that I believe covers all your specs pretty closely.

Mine does NADA! not even a kick!

Please comment on what you believe is wrong with the replication.

Magnetman has answered but I want to add something I observed in the last 25 years following attempted permanent magnet motors:

= The permanent magnet motor needs to be started by an external force. =

Some did the starting with an electric motor (e.g. a drill) which was connected at startup (and then disconnected). One had a loaded spring which was released with a hammer.

My guess is that magnetman12003 gives his motor an initial spin by hand (and I apologize if that is not the case).

So vince, try to spin it up a bit by hand and then observe how long it takes till your replication comes to a stop. Then change the rod configuration and angle and see if it takes longer to come to a rest after an initial spin up by hand.

Greetings, Conrad

[magnetman12003]

Magnetman has answered but I want to add something I observed in the last 25 years following attempted permanent magnet motors:

= The permanent magnet motor needs to be started by an external force. =

Some did the starting with an electric motor (e.g. a drill) which was connected at startup (and then disconnected). One had a loaded spring which was released with a hammer.

My guess is that magnetman12003 gives his motor an initial spin by hand (and I apologize if that is not the case).

So vince, try to spin it up a bit by hand and then observe how long it takes till your replication comes to a stop. Then change the rod configuration and angle and see if it takes longer to come to a rest after an initial spin up by hand.

Greetings, Conrad

My setup if done the way I have shown will spin by itself without doing anything else.
My biggest problem is how to stop the spin without the motor coming apart by centrifugal force.
Be very careful in constructing my particular setup and use a excellent bonding agent such as Krazy Glue Professional grade. It's my believe the motor will go faster and faster but sooner or later it will fly apart.  I have not reached that point yet as I am still waiting for the tumblers.


You will be quite excited if you try  holding the threaded rods by your fingers with weights on them in direct contact with the 45 degree magnet and see that in fact it will travel around and around depending on where your weights are and the angle you are holding the rod at.
The key to my setup is that the gravity weight of the threaded bolt pushes downward on the 45 degree magnet at an angle which causes the setup to spin. The spin is not caused by Magnetic action.

Tom

[magnetman12003]

Hi Magnetman,
I just completed a replication of your device that I believe covers all your specs pretty closely.
It has:


2 6" ring magnets
non magnetic stainless shaft
brass bushings
correct 45 degree angles
correct magnetic polarity as per your sketch
3/8" weight rods
aluminum weight rods guide tubes orriented at 45 degrees to magnets


My question to you is this.
Did you actually get this working or do you just assume it will work with this design?


Mine does NADA! not even a kick!


Please comment on what you believe is wrong with the replication.
PS have not tried any added weights to the rods.

You must have weights to the rods and also your base of 2 six inch ring magnets must allow the top ring magnet to spin freely with a finger touch. Are the rods touching the 45 degree magnet?  That must also be present.

[conradelektro]

My biggest problem is how to stop the spin without the motor coming apart by centrifugal force.
Be very careful in constructing my particular setup and use a excellent bonding agent such as Krazy Glue Professional grade. It's my believe the motor will go faster and faster but sooner or later it will fly apart.  I have not reached that point yet as I am still waiting for the tumblers.

Tom

This is how a permanent magnet motor should behave theoretically, but I have never seen one and it should not work, again in theory.


Whenever your motor is selfrunning you should show it to people who can do measurements and are experts enough (under a nondisclosure agreement). If it really works you will find an audience. A good idea would be a second or more motors to be sure that you can replicate it yourself. All permanent magnet motors have broken down during demonstrations leaving all questions open, and one wonders why there was never a spare one.


I do not attempt a replication because there are too many varibles concerning the magnets and the setup in general.


Greetings, Conrad