free energy via electronic means

[SwinG]

Hi all,

Great to see a little activity in the thread again. I suppose I'm just using too much time on this.Ã, 

We are currently about 6 guys here in Denmark, each working or planning on our own setup. So far still no sure positive results, but only two systems have been "online", and neither have met the complete specifications.

I had planned to post a summery, and suggest an approach for pinning down the important parameters, but if you read on, you'll find that post unnessesary for now.

I have begun a new test, and so far it looks pretty nice.

Repport so far:
Battery fully charged at 13.86V
Started test with charger, inverter and 14W light bulb, to see how fast the voltage drops.
02:30 - Voltage drops emidiatly to 13,33V, and started fast decline, and haven't settled yet (2 minutes from start).
02:40 - 12.57V
02:44 - 12.59V
02:51 - 12.59V
03:06 - 12.59V
03:15 - 12.59V
03:20 - 12.59V
03:27 - 12.59V


So, it looks very nice !!!Ã, 

Please notice that the voltage actually climed from 12.57V to 12.59V, but I remember the same effect in my first try, where the battery was drained (with 100W bulb).

I'll estimate that total loss in the system is about 25-30W (conservative numbers).
14W bulb + loos in circuit ~16W.
Loss in inverter (rated at <10%): ~2W.
Loss in charger: ~10W (feels pretty warm, charging with 5A).
Loss in wires: ~1W.

:
95A/h battery  delivers 12*95 = 1140W/h.
1140W/h / 25W = 45.6h.
Voltage from 12.59V - 10.5V = 2090mV.
2090mV / 45.6h =  45.83mV/h.
With 25W loss, the battery should decline by atleast 40-50mV/hour, considdering the decline linear, if the battery where new, and until now, the voltage has been stable or climing for more than 3/4 hour.

Any comments for the above calculations?

[SwinG]

Nothing last forever. Neither free energy.

Update:
03:40 - 12.58V
03:49 - 12.58V
03:59 - 12.57V

But still, it looks like the voltage decline at much slower rate than it would normally do. Or maybe the decline rate is far from linear. Anybody knows?

Time will show.

@Walter Hofmann
The inverter is a 600W inverter. The 1500W is surge power.

@pese
The shown wattage of ~300W matches pretty well the rated wattage of the load, so I think it measures the power OK.


Thank you all for input and suggestions. My testing is far from over.

[SwinG]

Update:
04:13 - 12.57V
04:17 - 12.56V
04:22 - 12.56V
04:34 - 12.55V
04:50 - 12.55V
04:57 - 12.54V
09:08 - 12.37V

40mV/h decline is to close to what the battery probably would deliver without the charger. It would be nice to know how much loss there is in the equipment.

[pg46]

Hey SwinG-

Glad you are getting better results now. Can you tell us what is the difference with your setup this time around from the first ones?
Are you still using just one battery?

Best,

[Walter Hofmann]

hello stefan,
I will do take some picture and post it.
greetings
walter

Hi Walter,
is it possible, that
iyou could post a picture of your setup ?
So we can see, with what components you had success.

Many thanks in advance.

Regards, Stefan.