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Overunity Machines Forum



Do commercial motors/generators produce eddies, why do builders build their own?

Started by unsure, October 10, 2020, 11:36:15 PM

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NdaClouDzzz

Quote from: bistander on October 11, 2020, 11:20:36 AM
I think people should learn how things work before attempting to alter the technology and search for new discoveries. How do you recognize novelty if you are unaware of the present SOA?

Greetings, bistander
Your approach is very linear. While that approach may work best for some, it may not work for others. Can we really apply rules to a field which officially does not exist, i.e., FE? After all, what's the worst that can happen, we discover prior/present SOA rather than novelty? Lateral works for me!
cheers

https://andyeklund.com/is-linear-thinking-bad/

bistander

Quote from: NdaClouDzzz on October 11, 2020, 12:15:44 PM
Greetings, bistander
Your approach is very linear. While that approach may work best for some, it may not work for others. Can we really apply rules to a field which officially does not exist, i.e., FE? After all, what's the worst that can happen, we discover prior/present SOA rather than novelty? Lateral works for me!
cheers
https://dianecapri.com/2015/06/are-you-a-linear-or-lateral-thinker/

Hi NCD,
Perhaps. But from the first sentence in this thread: "electromagnetic-eddies/drag". What is member 'unsure' talking about? It's difficult to know. I doubt he/she is familiar with the technical jargon, and likely is not referring to a component of core loss at all. But what to do? I just try to explain what the words mean the best I can and let 'unsure' set the direction of the discussion. I'm not attempting to set "rules"; just establish language/communication/terminology so we can have an intelligent discussion.

It never hurts to know what you're doing, but I do admit some discoveries are stumbled upon. And could have all the efforts made 'reinventing the wheel' been better applied?

Let this return to on-topic, which could be better defined, IMO.

Regards,
bi


NdaClouDzzz

Quote from: bistander on October 11, 2020, 12:55:10 PM
It never hurts to know what you're doing, but I do admit some discoveries are stumbled upon.

Yes, Sir. I apologize if I sounded like I was being critical. That was not my intent. In fact, you said it best above.
Cheers

unsure

By electromagnetic-eddies/drag, I'm referring to the braking effect described by onepower,
"The best way to understand it is by taking a strong neo magnet and dropping it down a copper pipe or moving the magnet along a thick copper or aluminum plate. "

Maybe a method would be to place COVERS ( made of bismuth or something ) 'around' the  permanent-magnets or the coils,  so that a current is only induced in the coil ( to be pulsed ) once the permanent-magnet ( or another electromagnetic-coil ) IS RIGHT IN FRONT of the coil to be pulsed,  that would eliminate the the current being produced as the permanent-magnet ( or another electromagnetic-coil ) is starting to approach the coil to be pulsed,  which may then  greatly reduce the braking effect ( referring to the effect demonstrated by "moving a magnet along a thick copper or aluminum plate. " ).

There is only one rule in public overunity forums, if you have a looped/completely-self-powered device, you just don't upload it or detail it,  since everyone agrees that ownership of these devices must be kept to an absolute minimum, and definitely must not be owned by those who cannot build one or even fully understand how they work.

The unexplained thing is all these youtube videos, functioning  looped/completely-self-powered devices,  which are just 'too' simple to construct,  who is paying for this endless array of devices to be built and uploaded onto youtube,  is it to create technical fog and confusion in wannabe makers so they won't be able to make a  successful looped/completely-self-powered device,  or is it just so people will subscribe to their youtube channel,  how profitable ( how much income can they receive per week ) from high subscriptions to their channels .

bistander

Quote from: unsure on October 11, 2020, 02:31:50 PM
By electromagnetic-eddies/drag, I'm referring to the braking effect described by onepower,
"The best way to understand it is by taking a strong neo magnet and dropping it down a copper pipe or moving the magnet along a thick copper or aluminum plate. "

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In that case, I think I answered your question. In commercial electric machinery it is a loss mechanism which is managed by design to levels of a few percent of rated power and in very large machines, to a fraction of a percent of converted power.

In other applications it is a desired effect such as Eddy current brakes/retarders used on trucks and large machinery.

Regards,
bi