The optimum electrode waveform for watergas production

[JulesP]

Hi all,

As someone who has been researching OU systems for a few years, I have relatively recently started work on HHO systems and have built a variety of test cells and circuits, including a PLL auto-tuning system which Dave Lawton original designed.

I'm now at the stage of examining the optimum HV signal at the electrodes. To that end, I reckon it makes sense to consider what waveform is best to see at the electrode end of the chain and then work backwards to what kit and circuitry is required to deliver it.

In the attached image I have assembled five suggestions for waveforms based on the work of others.

Option 1 is based around the Bob Boyce approach with a 'resonant' selection of frequencies superimposed on a DC bias of 155V.

Options 2 is the Ed Mitchell approach to Meyer's system. However, using full ac means that the electrodes are changing polarity with each half cycle so I'm wondering if that is an efficient use of energy. Also, the usual inclusion of a 'blocking diode' will surely block the negative half of the cycle anyway.

Options 3 and 4 are non-gated and gated versions of a 50Hz half-wave rectified and stepped up voltage waveforms.

Option 5 is a typical output from feeding a square wave into a transformer, and which only responds well to the rising and falling edges of the input, resulting in more of a spike than mirroring the square waveform. Again this can be stepped up in voltage to a higher level.

There will be of course other waveforms that members believe are ideal to deliver optimum HHO, watergas etc, and depending on whether one is using more conventional electrolysis or the 'capacitive discharge' type with distilled water, where the dielectric breaks down, requiring much higher voltages than the conventional type. So to summarise my question, what do members think is the optimum waveform to exceed Faradaic limits?

Thanks

Jules

[h20power]

Hi JulesP,


The blocking diode doesn't allow the current to switch directions as remember the switch is either on or it's off. The waveform shown thus acts as a means to limit the current flow as the negative current plus the positive current cancel each other out when the waveform's positive and negative voltages are equal. Kinda hard to get them to be exactly equal but I have managed to get them within 2 volts of each other resulting in only 0.3 mA flowing through the water bath. This is how voltage is allowed to do work as the current is limited in a resonance condition and the voltage tries to take off to infinity. It is the atoms that are being targeted getting them to release their electrons as no electrons no water molecules trust me it is that simple.


I've given that circuit some thought and see that you can hook up the capacitors to the WFC but only at a single resonant cavity as the voltages are too high for any capacitor to withstand at the transformer's connection to the WFC. This is possible due to the resonant cavities dividing up the voltage as the voltage will then be 1/10th of the voltage in a WFC such as mines with ten resonant cavities. Not sure what type of capacitor will work best but I'll leave that to you to figure out.


Oh, almost forgot to mention this, the waveform is a result of transformer action as the VIC transformer is receiving a square wave signal to the primary coil.


Each resonant cavity must receive a minimum of 500 volts negative and 500 volts positive in order to ionized the atoms that make up the water molecules if the resonant cavities are built to Meyer's specifications. If however they are not built to Meyer's specs then who knows what the voltage requirements will be? ⁺500 plus ^-500 equals 1000 volts of potential difference.

[JulesP]

I don't understand this 500+ and 500- voltage you mention and which presumably is reflected in your use of an AC waveform.

Firstly, as I mentioned earlier, if you use AC you are switching the polarity of the electrodes every half cycle and that can't be helpful for various reasons. Mainly because the H+ and OH- ions take time to migrate towards the Cathode and Anode respectively. If every half cycle of the VIC waveform the polarity is switching then they never get a chance to complete their migration and undergo the optimum Redox reaction on or near the plates (see pics 1&2)

Secondly, Meyer clearly used 'Unipolar' pulses as he clearly states in his technical brief, so why change it? (see pics 3&4).

So you can see why I'm confused.

Jules

Sorry for the 'too large' pics :|

[h20power]

You wanted to know what sets me apart from the rest and this is it. I looked into the relaxation time of water and it's over the pulse time so as far as the water molecules are concerned the two voltages are taking place at the same time. The voltage build up is taking place on both plates as the oscilloscope shows this to be the case. The reason why you don't see anyone else posting this waveform is mainly due to people being cheap and not buying the needed tools for the task at hand like a differential probe.


This scope shot is showing just what I am talking about to be true as I did invest into getting the right tools for the task at hand so that I could be able to see the waveform being placed on the plates of the water capacitor. The rest comes with understanding what it is the oscilloscope is showing me and understanding how the VIC circuit works. Every two pulses shown on the oscilloscope is one that is negative first and positive second if the transformer is wired up correctly and they are generated by one single square wave pulse sent to the primary coil. You have heard Meyer say this is a pulse doubling transformer correct? Well, there it is as I sent five square wave pulses and got ten pulses back five are positive and five are negative. When you add up the energy total or sum the negative cancels out the positive if they are equal, mine are not fully equal, thus what is primarily left over to do work is the voltage just as Meyer talks about in his many lectures. Voltage does in fact do work but like Meyer said no one ever thought to use voltage in this manor before being that to used voltage and not current to break the bonds of the water molecules by way of ionization.


All the science is on my side with this and I went and shared the science behind this technology already complete with examples of this type of water separation taking place in nature be it thunderstorms or plants, and more as any way you can think of to get the atoms to release their electrons will work. Meyer's technology just so happens to mimic the earth's Global Electric Circuit but that is not the only way to get the atoms to release their electrons. It is this act of getting the atoms to release their electrons which breaks the bonds of the water molecules even with standard electrolysis as that is why it works better when the water is made conductive as then the current can carry away the electrons from the atoms and again that act of getting the atoms to release their electrons is what breaks the bonds of the water molecules. But then you have to ask yourself which way is more efficient the way mother nature does it or man's way via electrolysis? The answer to that question should already be clear to you as mother nature always does things in the most efficient manor as all life depends on it doing so to survive as a plant doesn't need any electricity from man being applied to it to break the bonds of the water molecules nor do thunderstorms.


Like I said before I send positive only square waves to the primary coil just as Stanley Meyer did to his and by way of transformer action a modified AC waveform is created that can only be seen/read with a differential probe due to it being an isolated circuit. If you hook up standard probe leads to the cell those leads have reference to ground and thus will ground the isolated VIC circuit out. I know you don't want to pony up the money to get a differential probe but I will then tell you in all truthfulness this technology simply isn't for you as you can't get it to work if you don't have the right tools for the task at hand. It would be like trying to build something to go to the moon with just a mechanic's tool box to put everything together. Understand me now?

[JulesP]

So you're saying in effect that you are supplying unipolar pulses to a transformer and getting unipolar pulses out of it to the WFC. The waveform in the second of your attached images is just the + and - voltage across the electrodes which will, of course, be +500 and -500 or whatever, but that is different from the 'AC' waveform in one of your docs and which I used in my original post in this thread. That shows 'energy aimed at hydrogen atoms' and 'energy aimed at Oxygen atoms'. That waveform shows a sequential + and - which is very different (see attached).