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Lords of the Ring

Started by giantkiller, January 06, 2007, 11:53:14 PM

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Grumpy

Spark gap would short to ground at an approximate voltage or anything over that:

http://home.earthlink.net/~jimlux/hv/paschen.htm

Also, see section "spark gaps as protection devices":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spark_gap  (spark plug is cheap and already built just adjust the gap)


disclaimer:
Just throwing this out there.  Not saying it is required, right, wrong, or will even work.


It is the men of insight and the men of unobstructed vision of every generation who are able to lead us through the quagmire of a in-a-rut thinking. It is the men of imagination who are able to see relationships which escape the casual observer. It remains for the men of intuition to seek answers while others avoid even the question.
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giantkiller

Quote from: Grumpy on January 09, 2007, 07:05:57 PM
Spark gap would short to ground at an approximate voltage or anything over that:

http://home.earthlink.net/~jimlux/hv/paschen.htm

Also, see section "spark gaps as protection devices":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spark_gap  (spark plug is cheap and already built just adjust the gap)


disclaimer:
Just throwing this out there.  Not saying it is required, right, wrong, or will even work.



That is an easy try! Tnx.

allcanadian

I see we thinking the same thing, I just found this on a search.

?Summary of The Electro-Radiant Even

1. The Electro-Radiant Event is produced when a high-voltage, direct current is discharged across a spark-gap and interrupted abruptly before any reversals of current can occur

2. This effect is greatly increased when the source of direct current is a charged capacitor.

3. The Electro-Radiant Event leaves wires and other circuit components perpendicular to the flow of current.

4. The Electro-Radiant Event produces a spatially distributed voltage that can be thousands of times higher than the initial spark discharge voltage.

5. It propagates instantaneously as a longitudinal, electrostatic ?light-like ray? that behaves similarly to an incompressible gas under pressure.

6. Electro-Radiant effects are solely characterized by impulse duration and voltage drop in the spark-gap

7. Electro-Radiant effects penetrate all materials and create ?electronic responses? in metals like copper and silver. In this case, ?electronic responses? means that an electrical charge will build up on copper surfaces exposed to Electro-Radiant emissions.

8. Electro-Radiant impulses shorter than 100 microseconds are completely safe to handle and will not shock or cause harm.

9. Electro-Radiant impulses shorter than 100 nanoseconds are cold and easily cause lighting effects in vacuum globes.?



My thinking is there is no way to get around the fact there are two coils 90 Degrees apart, movement of charge(electrostatic)- radiant event like Edwin Gray and Tesla used is the only way I can think of. This means current rise and fall times must be extremely small and abrupt, which semiconductors probably will not handle well. To Giantkiller--- I read as well that longer durations or impulses can be BAD for you.
I do not think FET's or 555's will do the job here, notice the time function mentioned above - 100 nanoseconds at probably hundreds of amps.

I found a good analogy for this, something called a water hammer pump. A long pipe carries moving water and a valve on the end opens and closes abruptly. When the valve closes the momentum of all the water in the pipe is converted to pressure at the valve,this opens a check valve and high pressure water is ejected-from a low pressure source.    Now---- imagine a wire or coil with current(water) flowing in it and the switch is opened abruptly-valve on end is closed. With nowhere to go the energy will burst from the wire(pipe). It will always move perpendicular to the source outward, BUT ----it will only do so if there is enough current flow(momentum) and only if the switching is extremely abrupt. I don't think any of these conditions have been met from what I have read, But damn I think your getting close.
Super fast switching- no reversal may be the ticket

Knowledge without Use and Expression is a vain thing, bringing no good to its possessor, or to the race.

Grumpy

Radiant Energy - Turbo wasn't full of crap after all.

Damn fine summary.

Many ways to capture it.  Many ways to create.

Semiconductors can switch fast enough, but are  not perfect switches.  What is different between tubes and semiconductors?  What do their pulses look like?  What did Tesla say was required for the effect to manifest?

What is in the center of SM's large coils - two toroids, some capacitors?  Pulse transformer - capacitors dumping - just like TAO said - about the capacitors at least.

Tesla's patent has a capacitor, he found that the effect was greatly improved with a capacitor -where did he place it?  The electrolitic capacitor (like a cylinder) on Turbo's board could for the oscillator, or could serve another purpose.

Like Ahura said, understand what it is you want to collect, and then develop a way to collect it.





It is the men of insight and the men of unobstructed vision of every generation who are able to lead us through the quagmire of a in-a-rut thinking. It is the men of imagination who are able to see relationships which escape the casual observer. It remains for the men of intuition to seek answers while others avoid even the question.
                                                                                                                                    -Frank Edwards

otto

Hello all,

if you dont know whats the fastest switch in the world I will say you:

Its just the discharging of a capacitor!! Without anything else!!!

Charge a capacitor then short his connections. BUUUUM!

Otto