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Lords of the Ring

Started by giantkiller, January 06, 2007, 11:53:14 PM

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Grumpy

Quote from: bolt on September 12, 2007, 06:04:19 PM
GK that looks good i think your on a home run. However, your digi control is almost certainly way over the top to how SM was doing this but least gives you a stable platform to work from. One of the things i been looking at is the number of turns for the collectors. Clearly we can only deal with fractional parts of an earth wave. I post more on this shortly.

Earth wave say at 7.5 Hz = 39972327.7333 meters so what do you propose is a workable fraction to try. 3.99 meters? Perhaps 39.97 meters on a larger TPU if you have space. BTW you really should use the ferrite ring core to inject the sines into you coils.

How do you know what SM used to initially find the correct frequencies?  He migh have had a lab full of equipment.  (Yes, I know he mentioned that he used tubes.)

Earth waves?  7.5HZ?  Where does SM state the he drove coils at such low frequencies?  SM also states that one deliberately tunes off the "frequency of conversion".

Ferrite cores?  SM has stated several times that there are no "ferrous" cores in the TPU's.

Quote from: bolt on September 12, 2007, 06:38:11 PM
The way SM controlled this was a free running osc tuned roughly to 7.0 to 8.0 as a sweep then it was phased locked to the actual 7.53452 once it appeared. I since found this mag freq is rather wobbly day to day.  However, you can only do this when you worked out the coils and controls otherwise force feeding is good for now. It will need to be accurate to at least 0.01 Hz. Later you need to make an AGC circuit too. If your lucky you will notice a burning smell on the coils, if unlucky.........well your mum can tell us instead. LOL

Free running oscillator?  You got it all figured out now?


Stop mucking up this thread with your BS!
It is the men of insight and the men of unobstructed vision of every generation who are able to lead us through the quagmire of a in-a-rut thinking. It is the men of imagination who are able to see relationships which escape the casual observer. It remains for the men of intuition to seek answers while others avoid even the question.
                                                                                                                                    -Frank Edwards

innovation_station

@grumpy

dont you think at 7.5hz you are slightly tuned off of the 7.8hz  to be safe   low freq is totaly the way. we all see sm hold and carelessly fling it around when operating in his vidieos the feroite kinda of threw me but then agin sauron posted a pic a wile ago using feroite cores from transformers taken out of computer moitors  and heavey gage bare copper ground wire maybe 4 gage or 6 gage

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To understand the action of the local condenser E in fig.2 let a single discharge be first considered. the discharge has 2 paths offered~~ one to the condenser E the other through the part L of the working circuit C. The part L  however  by virtue of its self induction  offers a strong opposition to such a sudden discharge  wile the condenser on the other hand offers no such opposition ......TESLA..

THE !STORE IS UP AND RUNNING ...  WE ARE TAKEING ORDERS ..  NOW ..   ISTEAM.CA   AND WE CAN AND WILL BUILD CUSTOM COILS ...  OF   LARGER  OUTPUT ...

CAN YOU SAY GOOD BYE TO YESTERDAY?!?!?!?!

bolt

Quote from: Grumpy on September 12, 2007, 07:04:36 PM
Quote from: bolt on September 12, 2007, 06:04:19 PM
GK that looks good i think your on a home run. However, your digi control is almost certainly way over the top to how SM was doing this but least gives you a stable platform to work from. One of the things i been looking at is the number of turns for the collectors. Clearly we can only deal with fractional parts of an earth wave. I post more on this shortly.

Earth wave say at 7.5 Hz = 39972327.7333 meters so what do you propose is a workable fraction to try. 3.99 meters? Perhaps 39.97 meters on a larger TPU if you have space. BTW you really should use the ferrite ring core to inject the sines into you coils.

How do you know what SM used to initially find the correct frequencies?  He migh have had a lab full of equipment.  (Yes, I know he mentioned that he used tubes.)

If you want to run off the earths mag field then it helps to tune to it. Not stupid is it really?

Earth waves?  7.5HZ?  Where does SM state the he drove coils at such low frequencies?  SM also states that one deliberately tunes off the "frequency of conversion".

Thats true you tune off when you found it but you have to find it first. The only reason for tuning off is too prevent overload.

Ferrite cores?  SM has stated several times that there are no "ferrous" cores in the TPU's.

where does he say that? What do you think they are on top of the TPU control box? Ginger nuts or twinkies?

Quote from: bolt on September 12, 2007, 06:38:11 PM
The way SM controlled this was a free running osc tuned roughly to 7.0 to 8.0 as a sweep then it was phased locked to the actual 7.53452 once it appeared. I since found this mag freq is rather wobbly day to day.  However, you can only do this when you worked out the coils and controls otherwise force feeding is good for now. It will need to be accurate to at least 0.01 Hz. Later you need to make an AGC circuit too. If your lucky you will notice a burning smell on the coils, if unlucky.........well your mum can tell us instead. LOL

Free running oscillator?  You got it all figured out now?

Pretty much yes

Stop mucking up this thread with your BS!

Very much uncalled for i guess your still playing with spark gaps and this thread is getting too complicated for you now.

Grumpy

I thought he used two frequencies that were about 7.8 Hz apart and then a third that was 7.8 HZ above the second one.

For example:
100 khz, 107.8 khz, 115.6 khz

Slightly off:
100 khz, 110 khz, 120 khz


What ever happened to Sauron?
It is the men of insight and the men of unobstructed vision of every generation who are able to lead us through the quagmire of a in-a-rut thinking. It is the men of imagination who are able to see relationships which escape the casual observer. It remains for the men of intuition to seek answers while others avoid even the question.
                                                                                                                                    -Frank Edwards

Grumpy

@Bolt

If you knew anything about spark gaps, you'd be using one.

A toroid in the center of the TPU is not a TPU Core - dumb ass!  Besides, they could be plastic cores for all you know.

Got it all figured out?

Build it and prove it!
It is the men of insight and the men of unobstructed vision of every generation who are able to lead us through the quagmire of a in-a-rut thinking. It is the men of imagination who are able to see relationships which escape the casual observer. It remains for the men of intuition to seek answers while others avoid even the question.
                                                                                                                                    -Frank Edwards