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Opposed Piston Motor

Started by tropes, January 10, 2007, 09:39:21 AM

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Quote from: solinear on February 11, 2010, 08:59:26 PM
I guess I was reading quickly when I did read it.  I'm not using a core with my design, so it's not really relevant for me.  Does the distance between the EM and the PMs (in your design) make a difference in the amount of power you have to spend to repel them?
The quote from Jan. 2007 was referring to a single piston repelled by a solid core coil.
Yes, the distance makes a difference.
Would you share your design which has no core? Perhaps it is an air core.
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solinear

I'm still doing some early testing with my design and want to do a lot of validation before I post anything about it.  If you read through my posts in this thread though, I give some small hints.

I first came up with my concept about 8 months ago after dumping a couple dozen other designs and ended up chasing some dead-end ideas (or at least ideas that I didn't have the time/resources to chase further) and having incomplete understanding of magnetism and motors.  I've made a couple of design changes and am ready to do some early testing over the next few weeks.  Once I get that done, I'll talk to my business partner to see what he thinks before I give out any details.

Our designs have a number of conceptual similarities, but the implementation is completely different from a mechanical standpoint.  That's probably why I post in this thread more than others - I think that, of the ideas on this site (including that Orbo stuff), yours has the most potential.

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Quote from: solinear on February 12, 2010, 02:36:32 PM
I first came up with my concept about 8 months ago after dumping a couple dozen other designs and ended up chasing some dead-end ideas (or at least ideas that I didn't have the time/resources to chase further) and having incomplete understanding of magnetism and motors.  I've made a couple of design changes and am ready to do some early testing over the next few weeks.  Once I get that done, I'll talk to my business partner to see what he thinks before I give out any details.
I first came up with my concept in 2006 and after 7 prototypes and limited resources I'm finally getting my second multi-coil motor completed.
The learning curve has been steep since my knowledge was mainly mechanical (internal combustion engines).
Your reluctance to disclose details is probably due to patent concerns but unless you have very deep pockets you will exhaust yourself defending a patent. Unless a new idea comes from a major player like General Motors or Northrop Grumman the public will not buy in. Sadly, it's the "American Way".
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Quote from: tropes on February 12, 2010, 07:49:30 PM
I first came up with my concept in 2006 and after 7 prototypes and limited resources I'm finally getting my second multi-coil motor completed.
The learning curve has been steep since my knowledge was mainly mechanical (internal combustion engines).
Your reluctance to disclose details is probably due to patent concerns but unless you have very deep pockets you will exhaust yourself defending a patent. Unless a new idea comes from a major player like General Motors or Northrop Grumman the public will not buy in. Sadly, it's the "American Way".
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In 2006, I was still looking at gravity-based systems (had just started looking at overunity).  Since then I've went through 100% PM systems (burned about 2 years looking at them occasionally in my evenings and weekends) and finally started looking at PM/EM systems.  I'm primarily a troubleshooter, I look at a problem, then try and figure out why a design won't work, then either find a way around that problem or discard the concept and move on.  There are a few designs that I have that are similar to yours (parallel attraction from a magnet), but I think they will be something that requires a lot of fine tuning - beyond what I would want to run through at this point in time.  In the last 8 months I've been looking at EM/EM systems and I think they'll work, but it won't be as efficient as PM/EM systems could be.

As for patent fights, there are dozens of patents out there for non-standard EM motor designs.  Most of them have expired and I haven't found any that are similar to mine (though I have found some with similarities to yours) yet.  Also, with appropriate safeguards you can really make any challenges go away or be tossed out quickly.  Get a highly public business figure to back you (Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, the Google guys, etc...) and the fact that your announcement is almost immediately world news means that any challenges would have a HUGE hurdle to jump over and would seem like an opportunistic company trying to steal your design.  Proper preparation and waiting until your patent is awarded means their hurdle is even higher.  Do I think that there wouldn't be challenges?  Absolutely not - there are going to be opportunists that try and either get bought off (free money) or steal your invention, but I think that, if you're careful, they would lose.

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Quote from: solinear on February 14, 2010, 12:59:06 PM
As for patent fights, there are dozens of patents out there for non-standard EM motor designs.  Most of them have expired and I haven't found any that are similar to mine (though I have found some with similarities to yours) yet.  Also, with appropriate safeguards you can really make any challenges go away or be tossed out quickly.  Get a highly public business figure to back you (Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, the Google guys, etc...) and the fact that your announcement is almost immediately world news means that any challenges would have a HUGE hurdle to jump over and would seem like an opportunistic company trying to steal your design.  Proper preparation and waiting until your patent is awarded means their hurdle is even higher.  Do I think that there wouldn't be challenges?  Absolutely not - there are going to be opportunists that try and either get bought off (free money) or steal your invention, but I think that, if you're careful, they would lose.
There is no hope in hell that someone like Steve Jobs or Bill Gates is going to back you financially before you've spent at least $100,000 of your own cash but I will not convince you of that until you go through the process yourself.
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