Hydrogen engine limits

[Dingus Mungus]

Good call. it seems that a 2 stroke would work better in this spot. thanks for settin me straight.

Well be cautious with 2stroke engines... They still require oil delivery... There are some 2 stroke motors with their own oil resivoirs that dynamicly add oil to the cylinder, but its hard to prevent it from contaminating the water or burning it off. Of course if you use a 2 stroke that requires the oil be pre-mixed with the fuel it will eventually sieze if no oil is added. So sadly while a 2 stoke IC sounds good on paper it dosen't work much better then a 4stroke. Recently I've been thinking EC engines are the solution. Use the HHO to heat a metal drum filled with water and use the steam to drive the pistons. A lot like a train but incorporating hydrogen and removing coal from the equation.

Now the intersting part: While a IC engine is typically 30% efficient and a steam engine is typically 10-15% efficient, pure hydrogen burns in a very interesting way. Depending on what surface a hydrogen flame cone is applied to, the flames heat will dynamicly change allowing it to sublimate metals with extreamly high boiling points. so using hydrogen to heat water contained in a thick ultra high boiling point vessel would cause the water to heat faster then if you applied the flame dirrectly to the water. Neat stuff! Based on these observations I think we'll find the external combustion steam engine to be more efficient then the modern IC engine when hydrogen is used as a primary fuel. I don't have the finances to start work on this yet, but its a pet project for the future.

Good luck,
~Dingus

[Paul-R]

In regular IC engines, H2 and O2 work differently to petrol.

Petrol produces a very large volume of CO2, and
this pushes the piston with great power.

H2 and O2 burn, expand and this pressure pushes
the piston. Then, the products of combustion, steam,
will condense back to water producing a suction which
may well have just as much power. But the first
power stroke does not happen in the same time as
the second power stroke.

As a result, a different design of IC engine is needed
to get good efficiencies from these two power strokes
in this cycle.
Paul-R

[h20power]

Hi, As far as the information on the Joe Cell, it is my firm belief that someone is putting disinformation out on purpose, to discredit the technology . This BJ guy is so full of bull . I started working on the solutions to the Joe Cell and pretty much have it all worked out . By the way it's true name is a Grove Cell , invented by Sir William Robert Grove. Now I have some new theories to add to Faradays work. All I will say is that it seems to be based on the self-ionization of water, something scientist know very little about. I have to test all of my new theories first to make sure, but the math checks out so far. I will let everyone know the true workings of a grove cell when I am done with all of my testing .

[FreeEnergy]

Hi, As far as the information on the Joe Cell, it is my firm belief that someone is putting disinformation out on purpose, to discredit the technology . This BJ guy is so full of bull . I started working on the solutions to the Joe Cell and pretty much have it all worked out . By the way it's true name is a Grove Cell , invented by Sir William Robert Grove. Now I have some new theories to add to Faradays work. All I will say is that it seems to be based on the self-ionization of water, something scientist know very little about. I have to test all of my new theories first to make sure, but the math checks out so far. I will let everyone know the true workings of a grove cell when I am done with all of my testing .

very nice. i have to look that up now. i have read some of Joe's stuff but never heard of this. good job.

peace

[FreeEnergy]

http://americanhistory.si.edu/fuelcells/origins/origins.htm 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Robert_Grove