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Low temperature catalytic thermolysis of water

Started by Sergh, May 12, 2021, 05:03:49 PM

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ramset


Sir
Member Tom Reed will be testing this claim in pressure chamber or ICE "internal combustion engine " (image below)
Here in next month or so ( he is away working still perhaps next month..?
He has topic here
**Claim of Sam Leach (below) 20PPM lithium nitrate in water at 500 psi
Others here have written that lithium GREATLY reduces disassociation temperature 1/2?


Once project starts your input would be greatly appreciated!
BTW
Image below is from Tom Bearden tribute here posted by member
OnePower!
Quote from: Sergh on July 15, 2022, 08:43:25 AM
Ordinary water thermolysis, which occurs at min 2200 °C:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_splitting

"at 2200 °C about three percent of all H2O are dissociated into various combinations of hydrogen and oxygen atoms, mostly H, H2, O, O2, and OH. Other reaction products like H2O2 or HO2 remain minor. At the very high temperature of 3000 °C more than half of the water molecules are decomposed"

This will be very difficult. Ignition temperature of hydrogen in oxygen:

"For the stoichiometric mixture, 2:1 hydrogen:oxygen, at normal atmospheric pressure, autoignition occurs at about 570 °C (1065 °F). "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxyhydrogen

The mixture of oxygen and hydrogen at 3000 °C must be somehow separated before cooling, otherwise it will burn again.
Therefore, the process of thermal dissociation below the autoignition temperature already looks energetically low-cost.

The temperature 400 - 450  °C is too high, but ..what is temperature?
Can the temperature change from 80 °C to 450 °C with a frequency of 50 Hertz?

It would seem that it is impossible to change the temperature so quickly, but in a conventional internal combustion engine it is possible, in the cylinders.

Adiabatic process.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adiabatic_process

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1. https://patents.google.com/patent/SU807584A1/en?oq=SU807584A1
English translation, .pdf:
https://overunity.com/16440/hho-generation-using-high-frequency-electromagnetic-waves-on-water/dlattach/attach/173964/

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2.  https://patents.google.com/patent/GEP20074038B/en?oq=GEP20074038B
Abstract:
   A method comprises heating water vapor together with the catalyst at pressure 8,0-10,0 atm. The received mix is cooled during (3-5)х10-3sec. up to temperature 70,0-80,00С and simultaneously with it pressure is lower up to 0,5-0,7atm. Then by means of addition water vapor hydrogen is isolated and process is repeated.

English translation, .pdf:
https://overunity.com/16440/hho-generation-using-high-frequency-electromagnetic-waves-on-water/dlattach/attach/173965/

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3. The MOTOR. Probably this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIMXgLuq6gA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUoY_qmBg-g


Respectfully
Chet K
Ps
Related to gravity
Member broli did start a topic here on Dr .Eugene Podkletnov
https://overunity.com/19184/what-happened-to-dr-eugene -podkletnov/msg569059/#new


Any ??
Whats for yah ne're go bye yah
Thanks Grandma

kolbacict

And I'm thinking, at a temperature of absolute zero, the birth of virtual particles in a vacuum also stops?

Sergh

Quote from: ramset on July 22, 2022, 08:35:38 AM
Once project starts your input would be greatly appreciated!


Hello, Ramset!

It is necessary to inform that only this patent is replicable:
https://patents.google.com/patent/RO95468B1/en?oq=RO95468B1

All features of replication are shown in the attached figure.For evaluation experiments, it is not necessary to supply steam. Water or water vapor is released in large quantities from the zeolite when heated.

With other patents,
https://patents.google.com/patent/SU807584A1/en?oq=SU807584A1
https://patents.google.com/patent/GEP20074038B/en?oq=GEP20074038B
replication has not yet succeeded.

It is my assumption that the calcium hydroxide mentioned in these patents is not ordinary lime, but calcium and oxygen ions embedded in some kind of crystalline structure.

The prerequisite for this was the understanding that the inventor, scientist, head of the laboratory, who owned the first patent, SU807584A1, was studied crystal physics.

His book:

https://books.google.com/books/about/Reversible_Crystal_Plasticity.html?id=qHwWbX6QLnYC

I'm not sure if zeolite with integrated calcium is the best option.
There may be other options to improve the process.
It is not yet clear why the authors of the latest patents do not need to create a low pressure vacuum.

In general, this is close to "fast adsorption", close to modern oxygen concentrators, which are used to generate oxygen from the air.

Quote from: kolbacict on July 25, 2022, 01:07:40 AM
And I'm thinking, at a temperature of absolute zero, the birth of virtual particles in a vacuum also stops?
Hello comrade!
I assume that virtual particles are not particles, but quanta of space-time that generate the present, the transition from the past to the future.

https://stephenking.fandom.com/wiki/The_Langoliers

:)


Sincerely,
Sergio

Sergh

Found another patent for the decomposition of water by zeolite with alkaline earth metal ions and heating.

https://patents.google.com/patent/US7357912B2/en

Inventor Masanori Sakai Kazumi Fujii Kenji Araki
Current Assignee Hitachi Ltd
QuotePreferable solid acid catalysts and the solid base catalysts are particles having 1 to 50 μm. The main component of the solid acid catalysts is silicon acids, and the main component of the solid base catalysts is at least one of alkali metal compounds and alkaline earth metal compounds. Preferable silicon oxides are alumino-silicates. The solid base catalyst contains at least one oxide of K, Mg, and Ca. The temperature of water is 130° C. or higher.
Zeolite in the description of this patent is masked by the word "alumino-silicates".
The process temperature is not specified accurately enough, it is impossible to understand that a temperature of 3.5 times higher is required. Сyclic pressure change is not indicated at all, although without this there will be no result.
The patent propose to apply an electric field to water, without electric current.
There is not possible decomposition of water without electric current through it, this has been verified.
But Hitachi is a well-known company, probably a patent was issued for a working sample.

Sergh

A few more good patents for the thermal dissociation of water by zeolite.

1. https://patents.google.com/patent/US3963830A/en

A static version of the implementation of water decomposition is described. Very close to the RO95468B1 patent.

2. https://patents.google.com/patent/US4278650A/en

The same, but with a little automation and improved efficiency. Closer to the dynamic version.
3. https://patents.google.com/patent/JPH10263397A/en

Similar.
4. https://patents.google.com/patent/JPH11171501A/en
5. https://patents.google.com/patent/JP3939389B2/en