Reactive Current - Parallel RCL

[stivep]

200W in 3.5kw reactive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sfOKPIi6CM

You nix85 didn't even want to read the comment below the video.

Azamat Farrakhov 5 years ago
// (параллельный резонанс) с парой дросселей от ЛДС. Замерял их начальную и конечную температуры, продолжительность нагрева, учёл массу железа, меди и тепловые потери (для подсчёта потерь достаточно замерить время остывания, остальные данные те же). Ток в контуре в 2,5 раза больше входного. Полученная после расчётов мощность нагрева с точностью 5% сошлась с потреблением по бытовому индукционному счётчику (20 Вт). Дроссели конечно мелковаты, всего ватт на 30, запаса по мощности нет, как говорил Андреев.

Translation: "parallel resonance) with a pair of chokes from LDS.
I measured their initial and final temperatures, the duration of heating, took
into account the mass of iron, copper and heat loss (to calculate losses,
it is enough to measure the cooling time, the rest of the data are the same).
The current in the circuit is 2.5 times greater than the input.
The heating power obtained after the calculations with an accuracy of 5%
coincided with the consumption of a household induction meter !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(20 W).
The chokes are of course shallow, only 30 watts,
there is no power reserve, as Andreev said." = there is no extra power there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



It is quite simple trick:
The household power meter should operate properly up to 400Hz but many Chinese  power meters are not.
The "phenomenon" - (error in reading) is achieved in resonance  outside of range of the meter.

The title of the video didn't claim any over- unity or energy from nothing.

Экономный Резонансный Нагреватель

Economical Resonant Heater
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sfOKPIi6CM
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Ігор Козубаль 6 years ago
Вячеслав  спасибо!! А  при подключении  нагрузки  резонанс  в контуре  будет  держаться???

Translation: Igor Kozubal 6 years ago Vyacheslav thank you!! And when the load is connected, the resonance in the circuit will hold???

Answer:

Вячеслав
6 years ago
Но здесь нет съёмного контура,  если в резонансный контур вмешиваться, то будет уходить резонанс...

Translation: Vyacheslav 6 years ago But there is no load circuit, if you interfere with the resonant circuit, the resonance will go away...

Это же схема похожа на старую Андреева, только без обратной связи и съёмного...
На мой взгляд здесь экономия есть против индукционного нагрева или тэнового, а коэффициент теплоотдачи меньше.

Translation:
This schematic is similar to the old of Andreeva, only without feedback and removable ...
In my opinion, there is savings against induction heating or heat transfer, and the heat transfer coefficient is less. 

Вячеслав 6 years agoещё как возможно ))   
если вместо дросселя трансформатор поставить с съёмной обмоткой и обратной связью то это как раз схема Андреева... Я просто показал устойчивость резонанса при изменении в сети напряжения, как это происходит в схемах Андреева

Translation:
Vyacheslav 6 years ago is still as possible )) if instead of a balast a transformer is placed - with a removable winding and feedback then this is just andreev's scheme...
I just showed the stability of the resonance when the voltage in the network changes, as it happens in Andreev's schemes.

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for these interested with schematic of Andreev:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pEpbVs8-No

if he doesn't stop bullying. I will vote for his total ban.

Wesley

[ne0]

You nix85 didn't even want to read the comment below the video.

Another false claim from you. I did read the description, that is where the
input output data comes from....

Did i ever claim that video shows overunity?

E-VER, ANY-WHERE? No, i did not. So what is all this bs you just posted.

Video is clearly linked as an example of POWER AMPLIFICATION in parallel RLC...

Something which you called impossible at the very beginning of this thread,
need i quote.... yet here we see two examples of 20 times more power oscillating
in the parallel RLC tank than is being input into it.

As for load affecting the resonance.......i spoke about that, as bolt said 11 years ago
and as Dan Combine wrote 16 years ago in RE-OU-v6_1.pdf (in attachment)......
everything affects resonance, that is where "tuning for load" phrase comes
from, but load CAN be connected and powered by almost purely reactive power as
many reported over the years.....as same guy from first video i linked demostrated,
also posted here number of times already....

Guy i shared before who pumps 2.34kW in his big trans with 105W input.

Here he is looping it with UPS battery, battery starts at 13.69V.

Then he powers 280W of lights + charges the batter to 14.3V.

Reactive power is 1163W here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYWgcRB73bw

if he doesn't stop bullying. I will vote for his total ban.

Wesley

Clearly troll is hurt badly by the truth and all he has left is personal attacks,
projections, calling me a "troll" when he is in fact a troll bullying and disinforming.
He knows well truth has been exposed here, the essence of it, he has only two
ways to destroy the truth, to defame me personally and/or the materials i post...
He of course cannot do this in the eyes of those who see, but he hopes he can
do it for the majority, if he only constructs his attacks sleazily enough to work
on their skepticism or should i say lack of sight, combined with massive amount
of bs content, he has high hopes that this wave of enlightenment will pass over
the heads of the most. But even if he (they) is successful in blinding the most, more and
more will see through the fog and when enough candles turn on, dark will seize.

[stivep]

The unfortunate is that posted by you nix85 video doesn't show any extra energy from RLC  circuit.
Author of the video doesn't claim any extra energy.
Economical Resonant Heater
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sfOKPIi6CM
and:
LC circuit doesn't amplify as it is made from passive elements:

QUOTE:         
         You can apply whatever frequencies you want but, the further you are away from the natural resonant frequency,
          the lower will be the resulting amplitude.  – Andy aka  May 3, 2020 at 9:47   
   3     Also an LC tank is made of passive components so amplification is not something that can happen.
         You cannot get more signal power out than you put in. – Bimpelrekkie  May 3, 2020 at 9:59   
   
Nature of your confusion is quote:
         Yes, but not very effectively. This is a huge problem in RF receiver design because high level input signals near
         (but outside) the tuned circuit bandwidth break through (attenuated, but still louder than the signals you want)
          interfering with the wanted signal.  – user_1818839  May 3, 2020 at 14:12 

here is a link:
https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/497328/can-a-lc-tank-circuit-amplify-frequencies-beyond-the-bandwidth-region

Wesley

[ne0]

Again you copy paste the same nonsense and lies.

1) Power clearly is ampilfied since we can clearly measure current and voltage
in the circuit and calculate power P=IV which is 20 times (or more) the input

2) Some of the power clearly can be taken to power the real load as guy shows
280W of lights being powered WHILE CHARGING THE BATTERY that keeps the RLC
tank going

3) With fine tuning much bigger outputs are possible

[ramset]

Nix
I Strongly suggest you stop twisting your words and just
Host the claim!
The man in the video ( whom you also apparently taunt in comments at his video channel ( if it's the same one from above)
Seems you really have no evidence at all in these vids ( actual method to validate ?


Since "you" understand this easy 20 fold gain mechanism
Put it into a schematic
And just give a 2fold result for replicators!
Should be a much easier task!



Show us the easy 2 fold
Any fold of more out than in !


Or is it really just the flamewars you want ?
It is really looking this way!


2 fold please even .2 will do
And no batteries
Capacitors please , they are a much easier to model and measure in the circuit
And easy for replicators to follow along dependably !


Please?
TEACH
We don't need flamewars lessons !
Ps
I am sure it is late where you are atm
Please model the experiment
Not 20 times input
Just. 2 times will do!
And if that's to hard
Try .2
No more flamewars Over YouTube's with no evidential protocols ( circuits and expected results!
You Nix can believe all the theatre you wish
But slanderous actions which hold theatrical musings....?  as evidence ...a basis for slander ??


HUH ?
Get your own forum and put your own assets on the line !


Or do the much simpler thing and post schematic, specs etc
For a cop greater than 2