Stanley Meyer information

[pauldude000]

I first explained this in a different thread, but it seems I was stepping on some toes. It is evident that the author of that thread was trying to come up with capital for his own replication commercialization under the title Stan Meyer explained, which was misleading.


Anyway, I can understand some ruffled feathers if he hoped to make a buck. Personally, I am not out to make a buck on over-unity, so my information, for what it is worth is free to anyone and everyone.

Now that all of Stanley Meyer's patents are available for download and are expired (most due to fees), I thought I would share some information about his machine which many might find interesting and/or helpful. I suggest you all download the patents. You can find the list of patents here - https://patents.justia.com/inventor/stanley-meyer - just search the patent numbers on google and the first link will be that patent at the google patent site, where you can download the pdf for each.


A basic breakdown of the device -- Stanley was using a unique square wave DC waveform (from patents) of high voltage (both patents and videos) at a claimed (patents) 20khz frequency in a resonant cavity (patents and videos). His idea is both simple and brilliant in it's own way.


A basic breakdown of the process -- The concept is quite simple, in essence he put the molecules under stress using the capacitive effect with a high voltage field on one side of the water capacitor, then "hit" the molecules with a sharp even higher voltage pulse to make the molecules fracture. Both simple and elegant. It is a form of destructive resonance, similar in nature to using a particular harmonic resonance of sound to break crystal glass.


The process is simple, and his circuit will not be the only one of that type that will work to do the job. Using DC or rectified high voltage AC would be best, but AC not so much. Remember, we are treating the water cell as a CAPACITOR, which is very important if you want to apply a powerful electric field across the dielectric. The goal is massive breakdown of a self healing dielectric, just UNDER the point where it arcs (arcing is bad, lol). The higher the pulse voltage the better, so long as it doesn't actually arc, but the field voltage should be still high voltage too. Imagine five thousand volts producing the field, with a twenty kilohertz or so string of pulses slamming the dielectric at 7 to 10k volts. The circuit you use should be geared to produce as little amperage as possible. Remember that when measuring the strength of an electric field, you are concerned with voltage, not amperage.


How is it different from regular electrolysis? In every way... Regular electrolysis uses amperage (brute force) to rip the molecules apart, which TYPE of an approach is never efficient in any sense of the word. Which is more efficient, energy wise, to pull a bolt in half or to shear it in half? I ask this because the same type of bonds are being broken in the example, the weak force. The strong force holds individual atomic structures together, but the weak force is what holds atom to atom to form a molecule. Electrolysis also produces a ton of wasted energy in the form of heat, which should have been the indicator that efficiency wise, it sucks.


Also, please note that Stanley Meyer was trying hard to market everything from the fuel cell tech to such things as hydrogen powered vehicle technology, which most if not all of you already know. What many MAY NOT KNOW is that it is common practice when applying for a patent on commercial subjects to add fluff or misdirection into the patent application to prevent others from easily copying and taking your idea, using a patent for a blueprint. Even Tesla used these techniques, so don't blame Stanley, lol. What did Stanley incorporate as fluff? Lasers, for one thing. Note that the device he used to prove the patent is the same device demonstrated on the documentary "It runs on water" (still available on Youtube) of which Stanley Meyers has a segment dedicated to him. That device did not have one laser attached -- not even a bright light source of any kind. It just had the capacitive cell (simple tube/rod style with multiple tubes) and a power supply circuit you plugged into the wall and flipped a switch to make it work. What it DIDN'T have is a complex  mass of special circuitry, lasers, and other stuff which made the hydro powered buggy look like something from NASA (most of that was fluff -- eye candy for pictures and videos), none of which is required to make an engine run off of hydrogen.


Auto maker already know how to do that even with normally aspirated carbureted engines. People forget that what made Stanley's car so unique was not the fuel it ran on, it was the efficient hydrogen fuel on demand system that could be powered by the car engines electrical output. (Supposed over-unity on a system that they don't even know what unity really is, because their measuring standard is comparable to using a sledgehammer to crack walnuts.)


How much energy is available from even gasoline?


By their AD 1400-1900 "modern" measuring standards, E=mc^2 is way over-unity, but that is how much energy is theoretically available from any mass (including gasoline) without even having to resort to something oddball, such as quantum mechanics or zero point energy.


Once the fluff is removed, you come up with quite simple logic.


Now, I doubt that anyone is going to have an easy time of it, excepting those experimenters that are already familiar with high voltage circuitry (I am not talking about "Tesla" coils either). I am talking about DC NOT AC. A lower voltage Tesla coil could be used, if you can find a rectifier diode that will handle both the frequency and the voltage.


Why high frequency? Each pulse will yield a few bubbles of hydrogen, IE each pulse will only produce a small amount of hydrogen. The higher the frequency, the more hydrogen produced in a given time span. Too high of a pulse rate will cause too much hydrogen/oxygen gas to be produced, causing a highly probable high voltage arcing situation within the cell, through said gases, causing the destruction of the unit. IE BOOM.


Making a system that deionizes the water, thus increasing its dielectric value, will likely increase the output as well, but that would have to be tested and is just a guess of mine. The concept of actual water based dielectric "water capacitors" is not new. That may well be what initially gave Stanley the idea to turn one into a hydrogen generator, if he was using one to make a tesla coil or something similar. I know he was interested in and admired Tesla due to various comments he made on various videos regarding the man, as well as other things.


Food for thought anyway.


Paul Andrulis

[kolbacict]

I solved the SM TPU issue, but who cares?

Bull's-eye. I also made a fake device with a hidden battery.
But for the purpose of a social experiment, to see how people react.
Not with bad or selfish intentions.
No one found the battery, but they were not interested how it can be working either.
Boring, sad faces ... I don't understand this world.
Nobody needs ideas, everyone only needs money.

[MasterPlaster]

Paul,
As you have your Hydrogen extraction thinking cap on,   I want to point out that I am thinking of the problem in an INVERTED way.Where there is water, there is Oxygen as well as Hydrogen.If you extract the Oxygen what are you left with?Apparently Ozonators are a huge technology.
When you have your water cell / capacitor as bubbles are produced the capacitance changes from instant to instant.I am studying patent US3,800,210  now "SYSTEM FOR THE ELECTRIC SUPPLY OF A VARABLE CAPACTIVE LOAD" Notice figure 10.And I wonder if Stan ever looked at patent US3,899,685.

[h20power]

Congrats on making your own thread🥳[/font][/size].


After you read my last post and the PM I sent you I hope you can see now how wrong some of your theories are as you simply aren't asking the right questions. I did most things by way of actual hands on experimenting. I ponied up the cash to get the tools I needed to get to be able to take readings in an isolated environment. Spent loads of money buying the wire I needed, having things built correctly for me, and paying all of those minimum buy stuff as well as getting around those that only sell their wares to other businesses. I designed all of what I am using, except the circuits and I showed a lot of my work. Since I started that thread way back in 2009 I felt it was time to move on and moved it to a place were I am allowed to try and raise the capital I need as I move forwards to bring this technology to the marketplace.

There are so many barriers towards getting a working prototype that we all must go through if one wishes to have a working model. But I find a lot of how you think about this technology actually being able to help humanity in it's greatest time of need just flat out wrong. I say to you; "What about all those that are elderly?" "What about all those that are young?" "What about all those in our world that are mentally of physically handicap?" how are all these people supposed to get this technology? "What about those that are abjectly poor making less than a few hundred dollars in a year?" how are they supposed to get this technology? "What about all those in our world that simply find themselves all thumbs with it comes to working with or trying to do anything mechanical or design anything?" Again I ask you how are they supposed to be able to get their hands on this technology?
You see in your approach you leave out billons upon billions of people on this planet. You provide them with no hope to be able to get free from the energy enslavement system we are all trapped in right now. I'm on the other hand am trying to bring this technology to the marketplace where I intend on selling it as low as I can afford to do so giving people a product that is designed in a way where it will not harm anyone who buys it as the technology must also be made safe for use for as with all fuels the fuel must be respected in order to be safe for use by the public at large.
You see this is something I have already been through before as when I poised these questions to the Open Source community in the past I was told all those that can build this technology for themselves, "It sucks to be them." I didn't like that response one bit as it left out everyone in my family but myself and my family is on the large side. So at that point I decided to take matters into my own hands and be the one that brought the technology to those that need it the most. See how anti-capitalist I am? You try and paint me as a capitalist but it should be clear to you know I hate that system of governance but am only using it as it has taken control of our world and I have no choice as those that created the markets did so way before I was born and thus I have to follow some of their rules. Anytime anyone buys anything they are subject to the rules of the markets. The only way around this is to trade amongst ourselves. So you see this is all old news to me as I have been here before. As I stated before, "Time is on my side," as that thread you posted in without reading what was actually in it is going on 13 years old now. Being that I started into this technology in 2006 I can say I have pretty much seen it all now. But you go right ahead as don't let me stop you as perhaps you are my replacement since I am getting old now. Who knows?


This will more than likely be the only time I post in your thread out of respect. The only reason I posted is you mentioned my thread and I thought I'd set the record straight about my thread as to where it's been to where it is now heading. I started things off as a challenge, which no one accepted, and ended up trying to bring this technology into the marketplace. I've been through the school of hard knocks, though I don't think it is done with me yet, and have come out knowing a great deal more than I did when I went in.
Now this is a recent barrier I am forced to deal with and overcome. I just got an email from the company I buy the high voltage resin from telling me that they moved locations and now have a new MOQ of 30 gallons minimum order quantity with the corresponding hardener which makes the minimum buy for me 60 gallons since the mix ratio is 1:1 for this resin. How would you deal with this problem? Well, unless you find a new supplier you too will have to deal with this problem sometime in the future as you move to actually build things correctly that last more than a few hours or minutes.


So, welcome to the world of the REAL!


Take care and I hope you give what I have written some thought.
Shalom,
Edward Mitchell

[pauldude000]

Congrats on making your own thread🥳[/font][/size].


After you read my last post and the PM I sent you I hope you can see now how wrong some of your theories are as you simply aren't asking the right questions. I did most things by way of actual hands on experimenting. I ponied up the cash to get the tools I needed to get to be able to take readings in an isolated environment. Spent loads of money buying the wire I needed, having things built correctly for me, and paying all of those minimum buy stuff as well as getting around those that only sell their wares to other businesses. I designed all of what I am using, except the circuits and I showed a lot of my work. Since I started that thread way back in 2009 I felt it was time to move on and moved it to a place were I am allowed to try and raise the capital I need as I move forwards to bring this technology to the marketplace.

There are so many barriers towards getting a working prototype that we all must go through if one wishes to have a working model. But I find a lot of how you think about this technology actually being able to help humanity in it's greatest time of need just flat out wrong. I say to you; "What about all those that are elderly?" "What about all those that are young?" "What about all those in our world that are mentally of physically handicap?" how are all these people supposed to get this technology? "What about those that are abjectly poor making less than a few hundred dollars in a year?" how are they supposed to get this technology? "What about all those in our world that simply find themselves all thumbs with it comes to working with or trying to do anything mechanical or design anything?" Again I ask you how are they supposed to be able to get their hands on this technology?
You see in your approach you leave out billons upon billions of people on this planet. You provide them with no hope to be able to get free from the energy enslavement system we are all trapped in right now. I'm on the other hand am trying to bring this technology to the marketplace where I intend on selling it as low as I can afford to do so giving people a product that is designed in a way where it will not harm anyone who buys it as the technology must also be made safe for use for as with all fuels the fuel must be respected in order to be safe for use by the public at large.
You see this is something I have already been through before as when I poised these questions to the Open Source community in the past I was told all those that can build this technology for themselves, "It sucks to be them." I didn't like that response one bit as it left out everyone in my family but myself and my family is on the large side. So at that point I decided to take matters into my own hands and be the one that brought the technology to those that need it the most. See how anti-capitalist I am? You try and paint me as a capitalist but it should be clear to you know I hate that system of governance but am only using it as it has taken control of our world and I have no choice as those that created the markets did so way before I was born and thus I have to follow some of their rules. Anytime anyone buys anything they are subject to the rules of the markets. The only way around this is to trade amongst ourselves. So you see this is all old news to me as I have been here before. As I stated before, "Time is on my side," as that thread you posted in without reading what was actually in it is going on 13 years old now. Being that I started into this technology in 2006 I can say I have pretty much seen it all now. But you go right ahead as don't let me stop you as perhaps you are my replacement since I am getting old now. Who knows?


This will more than likely be the only time I post in your thread out of respect. The only reason I posted is you mentioned my thread and I thought I'd set the record straight about my thread as to where it's been to where it is now heading. I started things off as a challenge, which no one accepted, and ended up trying to bring this technology into the marketplace. I've been through the school of hard knocks, though I don't think it is done with me yet, and have come out knowing a great deal more than I did when I went in.
Now this is a recent barrier I am forced to deal with and overcome. I just got an email from the company I buy the high voltage resin from telling me that they moved locations and now have a new MOQ of 30 gallons minimum order quantity with the corresponding hardener which makes the minimum buy for me 60 gallons since the mix ratio is 1:1 for this resin. How would you deal with this problem? Well, unless you find a new supplier you too will have to deal with this problem sometime in the future as you move to actually build things correctly that last more than a few hours or minutes.


So, welcome to the world of the REAL!


Take care and I hope you give what I have written some thought.
Shalom,
Edward Mitchell

I understand, as well as reciprocate that I will not clutter your thread as well.


However, please understand that I thought I was commenting on "Stanley Meyer Explained" -- the title of your thread. Maybe I should have read more before commenting or I would have known that your device is NOT a Stanley Meyer based process or device, but a hybrid system based upon Stan, the work of a different doctor, and the revelation from a dream. That makes your system/technique/device your very own, not a replication of anyone else's. In that sense good job!


However, my information is based SOLELY upon the work/statements/videos/patents of one Stanley Meyer, not yours, or that other Doctor. (Bingle or Dingle, can't remember which you said.)


If my information does not match what is required of your system, it is because I have no intention of replicating your device here. My information matches Stanley Meyer's system specifically.


Paul Andrulis