New electromagnet configuration 4 times out verses in

[gyulasun]

Hi Jimbo,

The concept of embedding a permanent magnet into a ferromagnetic enclosure and use a coil to control the setup was also proposed by Jack Hildenbrand, see his drawings in his thread here: 
https://overunity.com/833/hilden-brand-magnet-motor/msg22925/#msg22925 

He built several motors with his concept, you can see some pictures on motors he uploaded in his thread but later he deleted them all (mainly due to the patenting process) and someone from the members here saved some of them in this site:
http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/Inventors/Jack-W-Hildenbrand/   
In the folder you can see a video on a test demonstrating the Hildenbrand valve principle, done by another kind member here back then.   

Jack patented the concept as "System and method for utilizing magnetic energy", US7453341, the pdf file is also included in the folder.   He claimed a COP of around 2 (to 2.5) for his motors based on the concept https://overunity.com/833/hilden-brand-magnet-motor/msg23790/#msg23790 
(COP = Coefficient of Performance).  Unfortunately Jack deceased in an illness soon after he got the patent and, as I know, no successful replications have been done ever since to get COP > 1 with the concept. 

There was another member here, DMMPOWER, who showed a drawing on the concept as a "super" electromagnet, see here: 
https://overunity.com/4624/how-to-make-bedini-motor-overunity/msg96814/#msg96814 

And see Floor's post with a link included in it:
https://overunity.com/13354/perm-magnet-only-core-with-iron-shell-motor-coil/msg563135/#msg563135  and see the start of the thread here:
https://overunity.com/13354/perm-magnet-only-core-with-iron-shell-motor-coil/msg354318/#msg354318       

Please do not misunderstand my mentioning the above examples, your efforts and enthusiasm are appreciated and please continue tinkering with this concept.

Gyula

Here's a drawing

[captainpecan]

I didn't realize anyone here was working on this project as well. Just found the thread. I've been working on this concept for a bit now. What originally got my mind running on it was the work of Robert Murry. He has a video of your exact drawing.


@Floor,
I also just noticed you have been working on very similar concepts since at least 2013. I was gone for many years, I'm getting caught up. I missed a lot. This was part of what made me interested in the Tinman resurrected project as that concept could be a perfect marriage with this one. I'll start posting my work here as well if we have some like minded people in here interested.


Here is the video I found that is this exact idea. Maybe where the neos in washers design you may have seen even came from.
https://youtu.be/4xZa1JGP2oc


For anyone who hasn't seen his work, Robert Murry has phenomenal videos you should really sort through. Great stuff.

[captainpecan]

This is what Jimbo is referring to... I made this a bit back but haven't finished it yet. Just needs the wire wrapped on it. It's 1 of about 20 ideas bouncing in my head I need to work with and learn more about. I'll get this one wrapped and do some tests real quick. I want to test this pretty heavily as well a little twist I have planned. I'll share as I go.

[captainpecan]

@ gyulasun

Tons of good info there. I just got done reading his patent. Thank you for posting that. There is a lot more I need to look through from all you posted. Great stuff.

[jimbo]

Yes this has a history but new to me I'm trying to come up with a motor with hardware store parts .so far I've settled on steel pipes as rotors and the shell over the magnets .I've got a lot of high strength ferrite magnets from a long time ago .I'm going to stack them inside the pipe and cut 45deg ends and go on a 90deg angle to the rotors .its interesting that this might be scalable .I need more parts ...I've course ..I'm also going to make a fan out of this .for personal use .I was thinking that what might happen if it was apposing solenoids  each with 1 to 4 would that in repulsion mod be 2 to 8 ?. Or as a solenoid motor with a neo core piston and a iron shell wrapped neo .it would be pulled in on no power and go out half way on full power so you would need a coil with a centertap and fire that to get it out the rest of the stroke.there would be no dead stroke. And 1to 4 out with a pull back in stroke . might be a simpler motor.and 4 times the power for the same energy.  I'd like to see just how much comes out and if it will run several more units asking for four more units would be hard to believe. I saw a guy using this with a old transformer getting more out as electrical power then in .it pluses positive only . to much information over load .got to rest my mind . if the pipes work out ..and I don't see why not ..you could just fill up pipes or stack up magnets and rap the pipe very simple. Not need for machining just a hack saw and drill.