Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world

[SolarLab]

I still feel like we are looking at two motor/generators coupled together in a single black box.  We see an electrical input and an electrical output, but we don't see the center coupling, not directly.  That center part is where the magic is, hidden in the magnetic forces.  I wish rakarskiy would just tell us in a paragraph or two.  Even better if he could show us a simple demonstration.  I'd really like to experience that "Oh!  I get it now!" moment.

Hi Dog-One,

An extremely helpful step in assisting your "Oh! I get it now moment" would be for you to outline, in as much detail as possible,
the extent to which you already understand the Holcomb processes - what techniques and methods you are already comfortable
with, and clearly understand, about the HES devices. There has been quite a bit published already on the subject that is available
as reference and informational material.

Sometimes a logical progression of the sequences used is a good place to start. For example; at t=0 a pulse is sent to the rotor N1 Coil,
this in turn causes the N1 Pole piece to create a B field flux. The flux density is based upon the pole piece  magnetic material, current and
number of turns [a.k.a H]. And so on...

The magnetic flux follows a magnetic circuit or path consisting of the rotor pole piece, air gap, stator pole piece, etc. Which, in turn,
creates a current in the stator Lap Winding. And so on... Kind of a "logical walk-through the device" as much as possible.

You get the idea. It also helps a great deal when others are attempting to to "fill in any blanks" and figure out any misconceptions or
missing pieces that may exist. More often than not this excercise will turn up many parts that are "self answering."

At worst, your outline of "current understanding" will provide a common platform from which all concerned can work.

It is also of value when attempting to create a "Course" on the subject - an independant view so to speak. Looking forward to your
reply.

Regards,

SL

[kolbacict]

And here is no turn out a beautiful ring...
something was rotating, but what not understand.
Perhaps the deflection plates inside the tube spoil the picture.
Must find CRT from TV.
https://youtu.be/1xAuvujAysY

[Dog-One]

An extremely helpful step in assisting your "Oh! I get it now moment" would be for you to outline, in as much detail as possible,
the extent to which you already understand the Holcomb processes - what techniques and methods you are already comfortable
with, and clearly understand, about the HES devices. There has been quite a bit published already on the subject that is available
as reference and informational material.

Sometimes a logical progression of the sequences used is a good place to start. For example; at t=0 a pulse is sent to the rotor N1 Coil,
this in turn causes the N1 Pole piece to create a B field flux. The flux density is based upon the pole piece  magnetic material, current and
number of turns [a.k.a H]. And so on...

The magnetic flux follows a magnetic circuit or path consisting of the rotor pole piece, air gap, stator pole piece, etc. Which, in turn,
creates a current in the stator Lap Winding. And so on... Kind of a "logical walk-through the device" as much as possible.

You get the idea. It also helps a great deal when others are attempting to to "fill in any blanks" and figure out any misconceptions or
missing pieces that may exist. More often than not this excercise will turn up many parts that are "self answering."

At worst, your outline of "current understanding" will provide a common platform from which all concerned can work.

It is also of value when attempting to create a "Course" on the subject - an independant view so to speak. Looking forward to your
reply.

SolarLab,

You sure know how to put me on the spot.  Okay, I'll bite...

I comprehend the basics in the patent, the one that focuses on how you would go about retrofitting an existing generator with a salient pole rotor.  In that patent it is pretty clearly stated the time sequencing of events, almost to the point of ad nauseam.  Where I get lost is with the instantaneous magnetic forces produced by the rotor and countered by the stator.

If we attempt to build a motor that does not also behave like a generator, we have successfully negotiated the first hurdle.  This is something I'm quite certain UFOpolitics has stated numerous times in the past.  How do we do that?  Mechanics.

Suppose we do have a device like I mentioned above, a motor on the front half and a generator on the back half.  Two separate units, coupled with a shaft, a belt, a chain, magnetic gears, or whatever your mind can conceive of.  Input is electric, output is also electric.  What does this device have to show us straight away?  It has to operate in such a manner where electrical energy can only pass through it in one direction.  If you back-feed it, nothing comes out the front.  Does the HES do this?  I have no earthly idea.  Examining the patent, I would say yeah, you might see something coming from the rotor windings when current is sequenced into the stator.  I'm sure it's far less than optimal.  So we potentially have a device that allows power to flow better in one direction than the other.  It's not perfect but certainly better than a conventional motor/generator combination.  Question then:  Do we have to do this with an HES device or could we use two off-the-shelf devices?  If you think any of the QMoGen devices were real, then the answer is yes, you could do the same thing as the HES with a dedicated motor and a dedicated generator.  I'm pretty certain I could hand pick a motor and a generator, link them together and I would get just what I'm after--a complete unit that only allows electrical power to flow through in one direction.  Big frick'n deal.  So there must be more.  As partzman stated, "Where's the gain function?"  Again, I have no earthly idea.

I do think there is something wholly fundamental we might be missing.  First, I know I need to produce a magnetic force exactly where and when I need it, with the proper polarity.  Call the solution an electromagnet with some switching to drive it.  We all know about that stuff.  Second, I need to sweep electrical conductors with this magnetic force in such a manner where the back EMF from a connected load doesn't weaken the magnetic force I produce, or if it does, only very minor.  Third, I need to minimize the power it takes to produce a specific magnetic force while maximizing the power I can get from conductors swept by that magnetic force.

For starters, amps are what produce magnetic force.  The more turns of wire with the most amps wins this battle every time.  We even have a unit of measure known as amp-turns.  Volts doesn't cut it.  In fact it actually wastes power.  We only use volts to overcome the resistance of long skinny wires that we need to wind lots and lots of turns.  How about we stick with thick heavy wire, get as many turns as possible, crank the amperage up as high as we can, lower the voltage to nearly nothing and call it good.  If we do this our power (V x A) will stay pretty low, our amp-turns will be reasonable and our magnetic force will be usable.  And as a bonus with only a handful of turns, our inductance is low, so our speed to magnetize (or form a dipole) is fast.

On the output we want all the power (V x A) we can get.  We need turns to get EMF (voltage), we need ampacity (thin wires and lots of them in parallel), so we really need space.  Let's put these windings on the outermost circumference of the device and feed the magnetic field across these wires as optimally as possible so we don't suffer losses in the magnetic core which is our guides for this force.

The last thing we need is to deal with the back EMF.  We cannot allow this BEMF to weaken the magnetic force we produce.  Here I have to speculate a possible strategy because it is unknown to me how the HES device actually does it.  My thinking is this:

The inductance of the output windings are far greater than the inductance of our input windings, so if we switch fast enough, the output coils will produce the EMF we intend, but the magnetic Lenz force (BEMF) they create will no longer matter because we have already altered the position of the magnetic field.  So the output windings indeed push back, but they don't push back in a position that weakens our input coils.  And that's my theory.  UFOpolitics says I'm wrong and that's fine.  I was never ordained to save the world, only to participate in it.

Anyway, have I expressed a gain function with such a device?  Potentially is all.  You already pushed such a device through your CAE software and those conclusions got you to this point.  For me it would be nice to have Chet put me in contact with one of these "happy customers" so I could sign a NDA and tour this fancy power facility.  Of course if I do that, I'll know exactly how an HES performs and never be able to speak of it ever again, let alone show anyone pictures.  Welcome to the suck.

[SolarLab]

SolarLab,

You sure know how to put me on the spot.  Okay, I'll bite...

I comprehend the basics in the patent, the one that focuses on how you would go about retrofitting an existing generator with a salient pole rotor.  In that patent it is pretty clearly stated the time sequencing of events, almost to the point of ad nauseam.  Where I get lost is with the instantaneous magnetic forces produced by the rotor and countered by the stator.

If we attempt to build a motor that does not also behave like a generator, we have successfully negotiated the first hurdle.  This is something I'm quite certain UFOpolitics has stated numerous times in the past.  How do we do that?  Mechanics.

Suppose we do have a device like I mentioned above, a motor on the front half and a generator on the back half.  Two separate units, coupled with a shaft, a belt, a chain, magnetic gears, or whatever your mind can conceive of.  Input is electric, output is also electric.  What does this device have to show us straight away?  It has to operate in such a manner where electrical energy can only pass through it in one direction.  If you back-feed it, nothing comes out the front.  Does the HES do this?  I have no earthly idea.  Examining the patent, I would say yeah, you might see something coming from the rotor windings when current is sequenced into the stator.  I'm sure it's far less than optimal.  So we potentially have a device that allows power to flow better in one direction than the other.  It's not perfect but certainly better than a conventional motor/generator combination.  Question then:  Do we have to do this with an HES device or could we use two off-the-shelf devices?  If you think any of the QMoGen devices were real, then the answer is yes, you could do the same thing as the HES with a dedicated motor and a dedicated generator.  I'm pretty certain I could hand pick a motor and a generator, link them together and I would get just what I'm after--a complete unit that only allows electrical power to flow through in one direction.  Big frick'n deal.  So there must be more.  As partzman stated, "Where's the gain function?"  Again, I have no earthly idea.

I do think there is something wholly fundamental we might be missing.  First, I know I need to produce a magnetic force exactly where and when I need it, with the proper polarity.  Call the solution an electromagnet with some switching to drive it.  We all know about that stuff.  Second, I need to sweep electrical conductors with this magnetic force in such a manner where the back EMF from a connected load doesn't weaken the magnetic force I produce, or if it does, only very minor.  Third, I need to minimize the power it takes to produce a specific magnetic force while maximizing the power I can get from conductors swept by that magnetic force.

For starters, amps are what produce magnetic force.  The more turns of wire with the most amps wins this battle every time.  We even have a unit of measure known as amp-turns.  Volts doesn't cut it.  In fact it actually wastes power.  We only use volts to overcome the resistance of long skinny wires that we need to wind lots and lots of turns.  How about we stick with thick heavy wire, get as many turns as possible, crank the amperage up as high as we can, lower the voltage to nearly nothing and call it good.  If we do this our power (V x A) will stay pretty low, our amp-turns will be reasonable and our magnetic force will be usable.  And as a bonus with only a handful of turns, our inductance is low, so our speed to magnetize (or form a dipole) is fast.

On the output we want all the power (V x A) we can get.  We need turns to get EMF (voltage), we need ampacity (thin wires and lots of them in parallel), so we really need space.  Let's put these windings on the outermost circumference of the device and feed the magnetic field across these wires as optimally as possible so we don't suffer losses in the magnetic core which is our guides for this force.

The last thing we need is to deal with the back EMF.  We cannot allow this BEMF to weaken the magnetic force we produce.  Here I have to speculate a possible strategy because it is unknown to me how the HES device actually does it.  My thinking is this:

The inductance of the output windings are far greater than the inductance of our input windings, so if we switch fast enough, the output coils will produce the EMF we intend, but the magnetic Lenz force (BEMF) they create will no longer matter because we have already altered the position of the magnetic field.  So the output windings indeed push back, but they don't push back in a position that weakens our input coils.  And that's my theory.  UFOpolitics says I'm wrong and that's fine.  I was never ordained to save the world, only to participate in it.

Anyway, have I expressed a gain function with such a device?  Potentially is all.  You already pushed such a device through your CAE software and those conclusions got you to this point.  For me it would be nice to have Chet put me in contact with one of these "happy customers" so I could sign a NDA and tour this fancy power facility.  Of course if I do that, I'll know exactly how an HES performs and never be able to speak of it ever again, let alone show anyone pictures.  Welcome to the suck.

Hi Dog-One,

Excellent post IMHO! Good points and insight. A little short on the logical technical progression, but a good dissertation non the less. 

BTW - I'm not Fan Boy for HES and I do stay away from NDA's. Been there, done that. But, I do promote "Excess Energy" R&D.

Thanks for biting! This is the exact thing we need right now.

UFOpolitics experience and intuative knowledge is very insightfull, backed up, for the most part, with experimental data.

And yes, HES might well be a motor-generator set, but it does reduce energy consumption - as they, and FPL, have demonstrated.
Holcomb's propaganda photos don't reveal any type of genset but these are just photos from inside the lab of their device.

I agree, there may be something wholey missing - or maybe it's right in front of us - that's what we are looking into. The LinGen
appears to be "what it is" so there's a lot to work with, at least.

BEMF is a function of motor operation so we won't worry about that for now; and magnetic drag has been solved (no rotating stator). 
The inductance of the coils is key, as it is with every device of this type, so it appears; at least from some detailed simulations.

As far as the gain function - primary school physics - B-H Curve stuff. - soft magnetic materials provide a gain in "B."

Call Dr. Holcomb and set up a visit, many have already been through the lab and no NDA required.

Thanks agian for your response - sincerely, it's appreciated.

Regards,

SL

[rakarskiy]

I like you!!!!!

You say - "Excess energy", but what makes you think that this is not used in a conventional synchronous mechanical generator?

The usual mathematical calculation of the ratio: excitation power to the output power of the generator phase, does not alarm you?

Or do you really believe that mechanical power (Pk=Fv) is converted into electrical (Pe=IU).