More clairifaction of floors Twist Drive

[Willy]

Rephrasing a question so that it is very clear to the questioner, ones self,
will quite often results in seeing the answer for ones self.

[Willy]

Understanding these interactions is really a difficult thing, in my opinion.
Probably it has to be done in steps, also my opinion.

A starting point is here.
Knowing which of these is true,  clearly, fully without a doubt.

1. Either a strong magnet falling through a copper pipe WEIGHS as much
while doing so, as it WEIGHS when stationary upon a weight scales, or it does not.


Do you know which is true ?
I recommend / think it best, to perform the test for one's self.

Other wise click on this video link posted by user "Novus".

https://overunity.com/19272/more-clairifaction-of-floors-twist-drive/msg577399/#msg577399

[Willy]

Smoky2

Ok
more clarification  needs to be given from my side.

The point of,  the magnet in water / magnet in coil illustration.
                                Magnet in Tube.jpg

The extraction of energy from the falling of the magnet by mechanical means
such as its raising of the water level in the illustration, would directly decrease
any work, the weight of that magnet could have performed in resetting the twist drive.

That weight as indicated upon the weight scale while the weight object is submerged
would be more appropriately / correctly referred to as the apparent weight.
... ... ... ...
True or untrue ?

Given that the 22 grams in the illustration is the weight required upon the ROtating
side of a twist drive for its operation.

Fact, when submerged in water.  the force exerted upon the weight scales and which is called weight in the discussion, is less than needed to reset that twist drive. 

Fact, when instead the 22 gram magnet is falling through a copper tube (shorted
copper wire coil), the force exerted upon the weight scales and which is called weight in
the discussion, is sufficient to reset that twist drive.

[Willy]

Tarsier_79

Understanding these interactions is really a difficult thing, in my opinion.
Probably it has to be done in steps, also my opinion.

A starting point is here.
Knowing which of these is true,  clearly, fully without a doubt.

1. Either a strong magnet falling through a copper pipe WEIGHS as much
while doing so, as it WEIGHS when stationary upon a weight scales, or it does not.


Do you know which is true ?
I recommend / think it best, to perform the test for one's self.

Other wise click on this video link posted by user "Novus".

https://overunity.com/19272/more-clairifaction-of-floors-twist-drive/msg577399/#msg577399

[Willy]

The fact is, very many who have viewed this topic, but also, are knowledgeable in this field,
understand that the twist drive / falling magnet combination, is more energy out than in.